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Old 10-12-2010, 04:12 PM
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Sorry savior, I cant follow your logic and not laugh my *** off.

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Here I am so save the day guys.

There are 3 or so bolts that aren't too easy because of the top of the socket wrench contacting the under side of the fuel rail. It is easily done regardless with a wrench regardless.

Regardless, I dont think your an idiot. Regardless!
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
Sorry savior, I cant follow your logic and not laugh my *** off.




Regardless, I dont think your an idiot regardless!
Yep, quote the one time my grammar is messed up because I wasn't paying attention. You guys need that post. that's why I haven't edited it.
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
Sorry savior, I cant follow your logic and not laugh my *** off.
Your crew tries to discount what I say by discounting LLOYD ELLIOTT. And you make fun of my logic??!?
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
Speed,
Is it really fair to post numbers taken at .800" lift and not .600" lift?

IMO the .800" lift numbers on the graph are being used to overemphasize the inconsistency.
I didn't realize the graph didn't have .600 lift on it.
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
I don't have to post to have you discount them. You already did.



I already said I'm going to port my own. It'll be a while, but you can all prove me foolish when I post my results. However keep in mind it would only be smoothing the airflow NOT pulling too much material. I've done some decent reading and research. I'm not an idiot. As much as you guys like to think I know what I know. I never claim to know more than I do either.

I will buy TFS 21s eventually. But I'll try hand porting first.
A head porter re-shapes the ports he doesn't just smooth them out.
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
I'm not saying anyone can dumbass. I'm sorry, but that's an LE head right? are you saying that you got bad results from an LE head?

You are either saying that's a bad set of heads or that you have just thrown up evidence of a bad port job, that's actually evidence of a good port job.

So tell me. If that's an LE head, is LE trash now?
The graph is to show that not just anyone can hand port a head and expect good and consistent results. I'm not going to get into the whole le debate even though you threw this thread pretty far off topic already.
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
Your crew tries to discount what I say by discounting LLOYD ELLIOTT. And you make fun of my logic??!?
My crew?
Just who is my crew?
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
I didn't realize the graph didn't have .600 lift on it.
You did not answer my question.
Is it really fair to post numbers taken at .800" lift and not .600" lift to illustrate port to port inconsistency?
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
A head porter re-shapes the ports he doesn't just smooth them out.
I did say smooth the airflow, not smooth the ports.
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
My crew?
Just who is my crew?
Sorry I lumped you in with SSRRR, speed and ramair95ta.

I do now realize you may be operating on your own accord.

Originally Posted by speed_demon24
even though you threw this thread pretty far off topic already.
I threw it off? I responded to another person talking about heads and made a comment about diy porting done right.

Also smoothing out airflow equally in all ports will make an uneven flowing head remain uneven. Like-wise to the evenflow head staying evenflow. (thoughts arrive like butterflies)

Also wouldn't some cylinders benefit from better head ports due to poor intake design/flow to certain cylinders?

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Originally Posted by wrd1972
You did not answer my question.
Is it really fair to post numbers taken at .800" lift and not .600" lift to illustrate port to port inconsistency?
Do you not know how to read a graph? Shame on me for posting the #'s from when the valve is closed to .800 lift to give the whole picture. If it bothers you so much cover everything past .600 lift with your hand.
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Do you not know how to read a graph? Shame on me for posting the #'s from when the valve is closed to .800 lift to give the whole picture. If it bothers you so much cover everything past .600 lift with your hand.
Your graph lacks the incremental detail to accurately determine the numbers in question at .600". The broken lines of any given cell dont appear to have any significance to the values of 2, 3 or 4. I have however determined that the range of any given cell is indeed 12.5. Based on this, your graph can not be accurately read.

I will ask again.
Is it really fair to post numbers taken at .800" lift and not .600" lift to illustrate port to port inconsistency?

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Originally Posted by wrd1972
Your graph lacks the incremental detail to accurately determine the numbers in question at .600". The broken lines of any given cell dont appear to have any significance to the values of 2, 3 or 4. I have however determined that the range of any given cell is indeed 12. Based on this, your graph can not be accurately read.

I will ask again.
Is it really fair to post numbers taken at .800" lift and not .600" lift to illustrate port to port inconsistency?
I don't see what you can't understand.

162cfm cyl 1
167cfm cyl 7
169cfm cyl 3
174cfm cyl 5

I learned to read graphs in 2nd grade. What's the problem? A dyno graph is set up the same way.
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
Your graph lacks the incremental detail to accurately determine the numbers in question at .600". The broken lines of any given cell dont appear to have any significance to the values of 2, 3 or 4. I have however determined that the range of any given cell is indeed 12.5. Based on this, your graph can not be accurately read.

I will ask again.
Is it really fair to post numbers taken at .800" lift and not .600" lift to illustrate port to port inconsistency?
Evidently LE2 heads guys are now running .800 lift. Congrats guys, that's awesome.

Or...

He threw that up to prove his point... though it's flawed.

Flawed? Oh well if you want to argue hand porting and it's imperfection, then you can argue that EVERY SINGLE LE head will flow differently. You show A SINLGE HEAD, and act as if EVERY SINGLE LE head will be similar??

This is funny, cause you are claiming hand porting is inconsistent at the same time claiming they'll all flow consistently inconsistent. Yet the very nature of inconsistent will tell you that none of them will flow the same and therefore your ONE SINGLE head theory on inconsistency itself is flawed and completely unsubstantiated.

You've certainly proven your case.

Sure hope you can follow that. Maybe bring out another graph that proves your theories on how I know nothing.
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Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
I don't see what you can't understand.

162cfm cyl 1
167cfm cyl 7
169cfm cyl 3
174cfm cyl 5

I learned to read graphs in 2nd grade. What's the problem? A dyno graph is set up the same way.
Maybe this will help.

http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/howto/graph.html
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
Evidently LE2 heads guys are now running .800 lift. Congrats guys, that's awesome.

Or...

He threw that up to prove his point... though it's flawed.

Flawed? Oh well if you want to argue hand porting and it's imperfection, then you can argue that EVERY SINGLE LE head will flow differently. You show A SINLGE HEAD, and act as if EVERY SINGLE LE head will be similar??

This is funny, cause you are claiming hand porting is inconsistent at the same time claiming they'll all flow consistently inconsistent. Yet the very nature of inconsistent will tell you that none of them will flow the same and therefore your ONE SINGLE head theory on inconsistency itself is flawed and completely unsubstantiated.

You've certainly proven your case.

Sure hope you can follow that. Maybe bring out another graph that proves your theories on how I know nothing.
Show me where I said all hand porting is inconsistent.
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24


Deal. I promise I will learn to properly read your graph.
If you promise to answer my question.

Now enhanced with large bold font so you cant miss it.
Is it really fair to post numbers taken at .800" lift and not .600" lift to illustrate port to port inconsistency?

Come on I am meeting you half-way here.
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Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Show me where I said all hand porting is inconsistent.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/11649027-post102.html

Hell that was easy. Not verbatim, but might as well be.

Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Spewing more BS with no data to back it up. Shocker....

Hell I paid for my old hand ported heads and look at how consistent they were port to port... It's definitely something anyone can do with a dremel.


Are these two examples of you saying he flows them consistently? Cause it appears in both examples you are badmouthing his consistency.

Now, back to you being an idiot...
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Originally Posted by wrd1972


Deal. I promise I will learn to properly read your graph.
If you promise to answer my question.

Now enhanced with large bold font so you cant miss it.
Is it really fair to post numbers taken at .800" lift and not .600" lift to illustrate port to port inconsistency?

Come on I am meeting you half-way here.
Now we all know he's not going to answer cause it'll make him look stupid. He'll ignore the direct question and go about other things until the thread is locked which is coming quickly.
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
Now we all know he's not going to answer cause it'll make him look stupid. He'll ignore the direct question and go about other things until the thread is locked which is coming quickly.
Then I will flood his PM box.


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