LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

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Old 02-28-2011, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 05HD
I was thinking that 7 and 8 next to each other would be worse than the benefit of the 4 next to 2 swap. Never mind that 4, 2 and1 are all in a row. I think the center cylinders (3,5,4,6) are fed the best by the LT1 intake and that is where the adjacent pairings are with the stock firing order.
I agree with the center being best fed, but I think the pulses would work well with 7 and 8 being fed just like 6 and 5 by the time it gets to the back of the manifold and splits off, velocity would increase (theoretically). Not to mention the #1 is starved and the offset favors 2, by having both 4 and 2 draw at the same time, you'd be pulling at a straight (almost) shot from the TB. I'd think by having the paired 4 and 2 at the front instead of 5 and 7 at the back it would be fed better.

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I saved these links off of camaroz28.com because I thought about going to a 4-7 cam swap for my next cam. Im running a pro-systems carb with a traditional SBC ignition so easy for me to convert my LT1 over. These are some of the best threads on 4-7 info pertaining to LT1's I could find. People like (Mindgame, jmlab, Injuneer, etc...) all were in deep thought and discussion about this swap so enjoy the read. Its a shame there is not a lot of this type of tech talk on ls1tech about LT1's like there used to be, good for us we have people like you guys that still bring the love on LT1's.
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...t=4-7+cam+swap

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...t=4-7+cam+swap

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/show...t=4-7+cam+swap
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^nice links!
anyone remember the guy that had an AI cam ground with the LS1's firing order a year or 2 ago? did he ever post about his results?
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Here's another link from HOT ROD Magazine, it's on a 492ci BBC, but a 4/7 swap nonetheless.

http://www.hotrod.com/techfaq/113_07...ams/index.html
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Originally Posted by 93Z2871805
Here's another link from HOT ROD Magazine, it's on a 492ci BBC, but a 4/7 swap nonetheless.

http://www.hotrod.com/techfaq/113_07...ams/index.html
You really need to study that article. It tells you a lot of what you need to know in regards to doing a 4/7 swap. Notice the size of the cam. Also of note is the size and HP level of the motor being tested.
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you will need some tuning work if you do this. One thing that comes to the top of my head will be the injectors will need to be reassigned to their appropriate banks if the engine is intended to run in closed loop
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I'd venture a guess that... the larger the plenum the less relevant the firing order.
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Originally Posted by GIZMO
You really need to study that article. It tells you a lot of what you need to know in regards to doing a 4/7 swap. Notice the size of the cam. Also of note is the size and HP level of the motor being tested.
Very true sir. I included it because of what's involved in the swap and they go a little bit into expert opinions (both good and not so good), theory, and what they saw on their control. I'd doubt the gains they saw on a BBC with aftermarket aluminum heads and a .712 lift cam is going to be anything close to what you might see on SBC, unless it's moving alot of air and/or turning high RPM.
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I do, however think the OEMs did the swap based on some kind of testing that showed improved reliability. They had to have some kind of real data (other than just an idea) to make them switch from a firing order that's been standard from 1955-up.
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Im going for it!
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Originally Posted by gregrob
Im going for it!
What did Bullet say?
Old 03-12-2011, 12:31 AM
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Lloyd says bullet doesnt offer it for an LT1 so I'll be skipping it.
Old 03-12-2011, 06:36 AM
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The engine will also run a little smoother with the change.
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i read awhile back that this was done for vibration/harmonics. like posted above a smother running engine.
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This quoted part seals the deal for me:

In the realm of OE production engines, the altered firing order is said to increase engine smoothness. In fact, when we questioned Gen III valvetrain engineer Steve Pass, he said the firing order was dictated by the crank guy. That was Bill Compton, who had this to say via e-mail: "Since the G3 engine was a clean-slate project, each group looked at things that they could change to optimize the performance of the small-block. Although we did not have an issue with crankshaft loading on the older V-8s, there was room for improvement in the area of distributing the peak firing loads among the five crankshaft journals. Analysis showed that main 4 had peak loads significantly higher than main 2. By changing the firing order, the peak loading on main 4 was reduced and the peak loading on main 2 went up. Overall, the loading through the mains was much better balanced. By improving the load balance across the crank, we created a better balanced oil film interface across the crank. The valvetrain group simply changed the cam lobe timing to work with the new crank firing order."
The 4/7 swap gets you part of the way there.
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I'd venture a guess that... the larger the plenum the less relevant the firing order.
id bet yor right
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This is a very good read, i have done this on older sbc but never thought of attempting this on a lt1 efi car. Gregrob are you going to do this for sure? i have never heard of anything negitive about the 4/7 swap anywhere.
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Ok, update on this. I actually talked to Steve @ LSM today and he will be doing the cam. It will have the 4/7 swap.
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My biggest concern on a Stock PCM was how the PCM interpets Bank to bank trims and how it would handle the wrong side injector firings. I know on other PCMs they freak out when things are not just right
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Im using LS ignition



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