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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 09:41 PM
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I've been trying to get a dyno tune for awhile but all the local tuners are busy or not answering.. My schedule is about to get really busy with another semester of college around the corner (next week) and i might just have to drive the car with the mail order tune from madtuner for awhile until my schedule clears up.. maybe a month or so.

anyways my WB is reading an AFR of 10.9 slowly dropping off to 10.7 at WOT.. Im not dissapointed in the power at all, but would like to get rid of some cam surge occurring below 2500 rpm. Also my cruising AFR is 17-15..

How much power do you guys think im holding back with this tune?
and cam surge isn't bad for the motor is it?
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 09:46 PM
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I gained 3.5 corrected mph from fixing my very similar afr and pulling substantial timing from the madtune.

Cam surge shouldn't hurt anything but comfort.

You know, you could always ask one of us tuners to tweak your tune.
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 09:50 PM
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That afr seems really rich?

~Edit~ Still learning about tuning, so, forgive my seemingly stupid questions. I like to quadruple check my self.

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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 10:20 PM
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That is really rich.
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 10:29 PM
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Thanks for the offer lswho. My laptop is currently down so uploading a tune is out of the question for now. I'm not messing anything up being that rich I assume. Except maybe my mpg...
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 10:33 PM
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And a lot of power I'm willing to bet. I think I remember reading that around 12.5 afr is ideal for lt1s. Don't quote me on that tho, just some late night ramblings haha

~edit~ oh yea op, your car looks freaking awesome! No idea if I told you before.
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 10:33 PM
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IDK an exact number but alot of people will pick up gains from proper AFR and timing.
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 10:51 PM
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And a lot of power I'm willing to bet. I think I remember reading that around 12.5 afr is ideal for lt1s. Don't quote me on that tho, just some late night ramblings haha

~edit~ oh yea op, your car looks freaking awesome! No idea if I told you before.
I haven't done any AFR corrections at the track to find my ideal, but I leaned mine out from 11.7 commanded up to 12.6-13.2 (depending on rpm) actual and that seemed to help out a LOT. But of course eliminating 10 degrees of knock was a HUGE part of my gains.
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 10:52 PM
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Back when I used to tune, it'd be 100+ hp from a safe guess mail order tune to a on car dyno tune. Those were turbo cars though so, Id guess less than 50 with an n/a V8 (double guess, lol. About as good as your question is going to get answered).
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 11:29 PM
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And a lot of power I'm willing to bet. I think I remember reading that around 12.5 afr is ideal for lt1s. Don't quote me on that tho, just some late night ramblings haha

~edit~ oh yea op, your car looks freaking awesome! No idea if I told you before.
Thanks man!
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 05HD
Back when I used to tune, it'd be 100+ hp from a safe guess mail order tune to a on car dyno tune. Those were turbo cars though so, Id guess less than 50 with an n/a V8 (double guess, lol. About as good as your question is going to get answered).
jesus lol. Thats just wishful thinking, but if i did gain 50hp I wouldn't complain
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Old Aug 12, 2011 | 11:38 PM
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can you describe the driveability of your car? Every time i drive mine now im not happy. The rpms never seem to level out at any point. I cant tell if its a bad tune or just cam surge, or hell maybe my valves arnt adjusted properly.

does your car have these issues? another part of the problem is the converter and going up hills for me. It wont upshift and it also wont hold a steady rpm.

are you experiencing similar issues? Obviously when my converter locks on the highway i get bad cam surge. I hope its just my tune being off or false knock.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by trilkb
can you describe the driveability of your car? Every time i drive mine now im not happy. The rpms never seem to level out at any point. I cant tell if its a bad tune or just cam surge, or hell maybe my valves arnt adjusted properly.

does your car have these issues? another part of the problem is the converter and going up hills for me. It wont upshift and it also wont hold a steady rpm.

are you experiencing similar issues? Obviously when my converter locks on the highway i get bad cam surge. I hope its just my tune being off or false knock.
Its very drivable. The cam surge just feels a little like a very small miss. Kinda hard to explain, instead of cruising and feeling a smooth steady rpm its not as smooth. However your cam is much larger than mine and your tune is probably to blame.

actually cam is not that much larger.. but still i think its your tune. Who did it for you?
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 12:49 AM
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I gained 1whp and 30wtq from my mail-order tune to a dyno-tune running at 12.9:1 AFR.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
I gained 1whp and 30wtq from my mail-order tune to a dyno-tune running at 12.9:1 AFR.
what was your AFR before dynotune?
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by food nd cars
what was your afr before dynotune?
11.9:1.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
I gained 1whp and 30wtq from my mail-order tune to a dyno-tune running at 12.9:1 AFR.
Interesting, almost no whp gain but a bunch of tq.
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Old Aug 13, 2011 | 03:15 PM
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1 whp gain in peak could also be a substantial gain in non peak numbers.

Know what I mean? Most people don't talk about non peak numbers, but that's where a lot of mods add the most power. The area under the curve.
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