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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 05HD
Are you paying this guy to tune your car? I would run the other way if he can't figure out how to lean out the A:F and claims to be a professional.
No he is a friend of mine who has a dyno and is a Mustang specialist. He is decent with tuning LS1's but has only done 1 or 2 LT1's so he is having a hard time figuring some stuff out. He has already got me 20RWHP since our original baseline pull but he knows there is more in it.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LSWHO
Ed, we are talking about a correctly done dyno tune, when clearly the OP isn't getting one. Yes, locking BLMs shouldn't need to be done on a proper dyno tune, but a proper dyno tune would also not have an issue altering AFR. You dig?
I have to say that I knew he was not an LT1 tuner. He is a friend who is doing it for free and does not have much experience tuning LT1's and he told me up front that they are a pain to tune. I dropped it off to him and told him it was extremely rich and asked him if he could clean it up a little. The A/F was much worse when he started and he has brought it fairly close but would like to get it around a consistant 12.9 from what he told me, so I can spray the car. He just cant seem to find where it is adding fuel from at this point. He already did what I asked him to but he is playing it safe for the spray.

This is a temporary setup on the car which is why I didnt pay someone to get it perfect. I am building a 383 this winter so I didnt want to throw a bunch of money at this temporary setup.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jallen100
I have to say that I knew he was not an LT1 tuner. He is a friend who is doing it for free and does not have much experience tuning LT1's and he told me up front that they are a pain to tune. I dropped it off to him and told him it was extremely rich and asked him if he could clean it up a little. The A/F was much worse when he started and he has brought it fairly close but would like to get it around a consistant 12.9 from what he told me, so I can spray the car. He just cant seem to find where it is adding fuel from at this point. He already did what I asked him to but he is playing it safe for the spray.

This is a temporary setup on the car which is why I didnt pay someone to get it perfect. I am building a 383 this winter so I didnt want to throw a bunch of money at this temporary setup.
No worries man. There's something missing in the equation though. Need to figure it out.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 08:39 PM
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He just called me and said he got it figured out. I'll know more tomorrow.
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

And, no damn way the P.E. Vs RPM table should be zeroed out. Something else is wrong.

On LT1's I zero it out to get the base AFR close by the coolant temp table, then try to flatten the line as much as possible. If theres a more correct way I would like to know.

On the Gen 3/4 computers it is MUCH more responsive to changes in the %change to AFR at WOT vs RPM table, but at LT1's it changes too slowly for me anyway.
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 03:05 PM
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12.9 all across the board now. Thanks for all of the help everyone.
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Old Oct 6, 2011 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jallen100
12.9 all across the board now. Thanks for all of the help everyone.
Sounds like it was a table he was missing. What's the score?
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Old Oct 7, 2011 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by gregrob
On LT1's I zero it out to get the base AFR close by the coolant temp table, then try to flatten the line as much as possible. If theres a more correct way I would like to know.

On the Gen 3/4 computers it is MUCH more responsive to changes in the %change to AFR at WOT vs RPM table, but at LT1's it changes too slowly for me anyway.
You shouldn't have to screw with the P.E. Vs coolant table. Only the P.E. Vs RPM table. If you can't get there that way, I don't know what you are doing wrong, but your missing something.

And, the dude hung up on BLM blocking: if you flash the PCM, fire it up and make a dyno pull, it won't go into Closed Loop before you start your pull. Therefore it won't run long enough in Closed Loop to learn to add fuel at WOT. Blocking the BLMs will have no effect, dig?
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Old Oct 8, 2011 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Wright
You shouldn't have to screw with the P.E. Vs coolant table. Only the P.E. Vs RPM table. If you can't get there that way, I don't know what you are doing wrong, but your missing something.

And, the dude hung up on BLM blocking: if you flash the PCM, fire it up and make a dyno pull, it won't go into Closed Loop before you start your pull. Therefore it won't run long enough in Closed Loop to learn to add fuel at WOT. Blocking the BLMs will have no effect, dig?
Ed, I believe what Gregrob is saying is that he only zeros out the P.E./vs./RPM table to get the A/F in the ball park with out have to mess with 2 possible variables; thus quickening the ability to have a decent base A/F. After the base A/F is achieved, then can the rpm table be used to fine tune. It's not that he doesn't use the rpm table all together; he just uses it as the second process.
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Old Oct 8, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nitrous2fast
Ed, I believe what Gregrob is saying is that he only zeros out the P.E./vs./RPM table to get the A/F in the ball park with out have to mess with 2 possible variables; thus quickening the ability to have a decent base A/F. After the base A/F is achieved, then can the rpm table be used to fine tune. It's not that he doesn't use the rpm table all together; he just uses it as the second process.
As I said, there is no reason to bother the temp table. Anybody that has tuned many of these can look at the air/fuel data and have a good idea what to put in the P.E. Vs RPM table first try.
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Old Oct 8, 2011 | 10:23 PM
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I love all of the retards arguing with possibly the best guy to ever touch an LT1. Classic LS1tech stupidity.
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Old Oct 8, 2011 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 05HD
I love all of the retards arguing with possibly the best guy to ever touch an LT1. Classic LS1tech stupidity.
I never once argued with Ed, just state my methods. Ed has helped me before and I'm sure could teach us all a thing or two.
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