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Old May 12, 2012 | 10:05 PM
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Default O2 Sensor Simulator?

Any one here have any experience with them? I ran them in my old S2000 and I never really had any issues nor has anyone I know, but I'm not very knowledgeable with the LT engine. I'm 99% sure that I've got at least 1 fouled sensor and rather than playing the guessing game or replacing all of them which would be kind of expensive, I'm looking at picking up the simulators from here: http://www.afterthoughtsauto.com/o2sim.html

Anyone have constructive thoughts and not just their opinion? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
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Old May 12, 2012 | 11:35 PM
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sims are for AFTER the cat only.

Autozone and the like will scan the car for free and tell you which sensor is dead.

If it is a front one then that affects engine fueling and can not be replaced with a SIM. If a rear one I would probably buy a new one and install it in the front and move the functional old one to the rear.
Last I bought O2s they weren't much more than those sims.
If I were looking to go down the sims route I would instead put the money towards a custom pcm reprogram that would gain you something besides turning off the CEL.
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Old May 12, 2012 | 11:43 PM
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My o2s are useless because I am running a Open Loop (doesn't use the o2s for anything) Speed Density tune (doesn't use the MAF at all).
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Old May 12, 2012 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by F0x Slaughter
My o2s are useless because I am running a Open Loop (doesn't use the o2s for anything) Speed Density tune (doesn't use the MAF at all).
Do you not log your runs and use your O2 sensor to indicate if your tune may need some adjustment?
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Old May 12, 2012 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Longbob
Do you not log your runs and use your O2 sensor to indicate if your tune may need some adjustment?
I run a FAST Dual Wideband with a controller and they are using the analog 5v output to the AC Pressure switch and setup on Datamaster so when I datalog it records my AFR.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by F0x Slaughter
I run a FAST Dual Wideband with a controller and they are using the analog 5v output to the AC Pressure switch and setup on Datamaster so when I datalog it records my AFR.
Isn't the Fast Dual Wideband using wide band O2s? I run the Fast XFI in both our cars in open loop and I use the wide band O2 to double check my tune.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Longbob
Isn't the Fast Dual Wideband using wide band O2s? I run the Fast XFI in both our cars in open loop and I use the wide band O2 to double check my tune.
Yes it has 2 widebands. One in the left and right primaries. Right now I just have one hooked up for analog. With the controller though I can either average or see the sensors individual.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 12:10 AM
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Gotcha. I just didn't understand your useless comment. It appears that you are getting good use out of them.
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Yeah thats what I mean when I say useless. Meaning they are just filling holes haha, when I datalog I can still see the voltages they are reading, they still heat up, but have no control over fuel.
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and that applies to a presumably near stock car how????
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Old May 13, 2012 | 11:53 AM
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Why would he want o2 sims on a stock car just buy a new o2 sensor?
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Old May 13, 2012 | 12:44 PM
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Did you even read his post?
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Old May 13, 2012 | 12:45 PM
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Yeah he thinks he has a fouled sensor and instead of playing with them he wants to put in a simulator.

Just pick up new o2s.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/par...105_1784_97999

54 bucks.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 12:52 PM
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Just about everyone knows the Bosch narrowbands don't work worth a damn on LT1s, hell within the last month I even saw a technical explanation as to why.
Put some Delcos on there, they aren't bad if you get them from a good source like RockAuto or somewhere like that.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 01:03 PM
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60 bucks for AC Delcos from Rockauto.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 01:29 PM
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I just looked it up and it is $45 for AFS75 AC Delco O2 sensor. That is what my 96 Caprice uses. I am not sure why there are so many O2 part numbers listed or why some appear to have squatre conne ctors like some of the later model stuff.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
sims are for AFTER the cat only.

Autozone and the like will scan the car for free and tell you which sensor is dead.

If it is a front one then that affects engine fueling and can not be replaced with a SIM. If a rear one I would probably buy a new one and install it in the front and move the functional old one to the rear.
Last I bought O2s they weren't much more than those sims.
If I were looking to go down the sims route I would instead put the money towards a custom pcm reprogram that would gain you something besides turning off the CEL.
I didn't know that. Thanks! After shipping is factored into the sims, they're basically the same price as the O2 sensors themselves ... so I'm just going to break down buy the sensors. Just to be clear ... I need two of AFS123 (post cat) and two AFS75 (pre cat) if I were to just replace them all, right? Rock Auto has three different O2 sensors and the third one isn't listed on the AC Delco site.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 01:46 PM
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I would look up the sensors elsewhere. I know my car uses the AFS75 in all 4 positions I do not know why the f-body would be any different.

I would never buy new after cat O2s if they are the same as the before cat O2s because if a rear one failed I would put a new one in front of the cat and put the functional but old one I just replaced behind the cat.

After the cat is only a tattle tale for the catalyst zero effect on performance or mileage, the before cat O2s will affect mileage and performance and they do wear out slowly so there can be benefit to replacing them before they code.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by F0x Slaughter
60 bucks for AC Delcos from Rockauto.
I run the $26 denso's no issues
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Old May 13, 2012 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
I would look up the sensors elsewhere. I know my car uses the AFS75 in all 4 positions I do not know why the f-body would be any different.

I would never buy new after cat O2s if they are the same as the before cat O2s because if a rear one failed I would put a new one in front of the cat and put the functional but old one I just replaced behind the cat.

After the cat is only a tattle tale for the catalyst zero effect on performance or mileage, the before cat O2s will affect mileage and performance and they do wear out slowly so there can be benefit to replacing them before they code.
they are different on f bodies. pre cat are the afs75, post cat have a square connector so you cant just move the front one to the back when you replace the front
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