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Old May 13, 2012 | 08:19 PM
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i used isky adj guide plates. Finished tacking and grinded off to a flat surface.....I wanted to see if i can use por15 or something to re coat the bare metal showing. does this seem ok?
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Old May 13, 2012 | 08:22 PM
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As long as the metal is clean I wouldn't paint it or anything. its going to be constantly coated with oil anyway.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 08:42 PM
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No need... it's not going to rust in that environment.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 06:56 AM
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Agreed. I have them and they wont rust. Just run them.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 07:04 AM
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As long as the metal is clean I wouldn't paint it or anything. its going to be constantly coated with oil anyway.
Exactly. Oil vapors run amuck underneath the valve covers when the engine is running. There is a lot of bare metal inside an engine. As long as the engine is used normally and is not exposed to outside air for long periods of time, all is well. The tin PCV pan bolted underneath the intake is a perfect example. Nothing rusts quicker than that piece when it hits outside air...
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Old May 14, 2012 | 07:08 AM
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Leave them as they are. You don't want any coating flaking off and making it's way into your oil system. If the plates appeared to be coated black when you started it was most likely a Black Oxide finish finish from the factory. The only reason for that coating is to keep the parts from rusting when in storage/shipping while waiting to be installed into an engine. Once installed into a running engine they will be oil covered.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 08:36 AM
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Yeah it would suck if por15 wiped out all your hard work If you cant sleep over it Have em anodized or a black oxide treatment but no paint Id rather smooth the lifter valley than paint it too Piston & bearing coatings are good But the inside of a motor needs to be extra clean for assy
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Old May 14, 2012 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TSAEB
i used isky adj guide plates. Finished tacking and grinded off to a flat surface.....I wanted to see if i can use por15 or something to re coat the bare metal showing. does this seem ok?
The posts are correct that you really don't need to coat them, but I have a question for you that I am debating. Did you tack weld the plates after you got them adjusted?

I think I spent nearly three hours getting my guide plates adjusted just like I wanted and I don't think they will move, but there is always the possibility. The only reason I didn't is because welding them doesn't completely eliminate the possibility of them moving. They can still shift under the rocker arm studs.
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Your block is iron.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 11:04 AM
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thanks everyone...i put them back with out coating.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Longbob
The posts are correct that you really don't need to coat them, but I have a question for you that I am debating. Did you tack weld the plates after you got them adjusted?

I think I spent nearly three hours getting my guide plates adjusted just like I wanted and I don't think they will move, but there is always the possibility. The only reason I didn't is because welding them doesn't completely eliminate the possibility of them moving. They can still shift under the rocker arm studs.
onced they where set right....i gave them one tack while still bolted...then removed them and gave them several tacks....taking turns with plates since they heat up very quickly...put them back and rockers ligned up fine again.
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Originally Posted by Longbob
I think I spent nearly three hours getting my guide plates adjusted just like I wanted and I don't think they will move, but there is always the possibility. The only reason I didn't is because welding them doesn't completely eliminate the possibility of them moving. They can still shift under the rocker arm studs.
I spent nearly 6 hours setting my plates and welding them up. It was funny cause I saw small variences that affected one cylinder and not another. I wanted them welded because that does greatly reduce the chance of them "moving" plus it makes realignment of them much easier down the road when they need to be removed then reinstalled for whatever reason.

I also noticed that just simply torqueing down a single side not welded to the other, resulted in in it mofing moving. Once they were welded, this was no longer an issue. Bottom line is there is no way I would ever want to deal with the frustrsation of realigning these guide plates assuming they are not welded together.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 11:37 AM
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I agree with you two. I am in the process of building an LT1 stock eliminator motor on a Bowtie block and I will weld these. And mark them! Did either of you have a mild panic attack wondering which one was which if you didn't mark them?
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Originally Posted by Longbob
I agree with you two. I am in the process of building an LT1 stock eliminator motor on a Bowtie block and I will weld these. And mark them! Did either of you have a mild panic attack wondering which one was which if you didn't mark them?
i etched them to the proper piston before i tacked and removed them. and the etch was to the sides in atleast 2 places . this way you dont accidently grind it off after welding.
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Before anyone goes and makes a mess inside their engine I believe it prudent to say TIG is preferred here because it will make less mess.

I never welded mine but then again I don't have to take my stuff apart often. Come valve spring replacement time though if a rocker loosened you would have to reset, I really didn't find it bad though, but then again my engine is easier to reach too.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 01:23 PM
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Gas welds are nice and clean.
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Before anyone goes and makes a mess inside their engine I believe it prudent to say TIG is preferred here because it will make less mess.

I never welded mine but then again I don't have to take my stuff apart often. Come valve spring replacement time though if a rocker loosened you would have to reset, I really didn't find it bad though, but then again my engine is easier to reach too.
I actually aligned my two halves and torqued them in final position to verify alignment. I then scribed lines so they could be removed, realigned on the bench and tack welded with the MIG off the engine. I came close to blanketing everything off and doing it on the head but quickly determined that it would be very high risk.

This worked well but take a lot of extra time.
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