My 383 rwhp estimate?
09-20-2013, 08:07 PM
#62
Man you drag racers 
. I ran a 13.5 et with 479 awesome rwhp on a mustang dyno and proud of it!!
Op. If you did your research you could have just picked a builder familiar with the ltx!! At least you asked now before you went to the track and got toasted by a Toyota brz owner and made his day (probably rest of his life )
. I ran a 13.5 et with 479 awesome rwhp on a mustang dyno and proud of it!!Op. If you did your research you could have just picked a builder familiar with the ltx!! At least you asked now before you went to the track and got toasted by a Toyota brz owner and made his day (probably rest of his life )
09-22-2013, 08:59 PM
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I know I've got no way of definitively "proving" things outside of heresay, but the person I'm referring to is extremely well known at Gateway and is very honest (and always has been as long as I've known him). Ask anyone at Gateway and they'll vouch for him. He flared up pretty good when I mentioned Gary Duckworth, and that's probably the second time I've seen him like that.
Take it for what you will. That was me asking on your behalf to see if he knew anything about Gary's work; particularly for how expensive he is.
09-22-2013, 10:19 PM
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Talked the my friend this past week mentioning your build. He told me at one point Gary nuked one of the high dollar BBC engines he built for him. Said it ran terrible and Gary blamed him for a bad tune... come to find out the pistons had tons of play in all the cylinders and it also spun a bearing... all on a fresh motor. He stated that Gary held him high and dry and refused to fix the problem when he was confronted about the issue.
I know I've got no way of definitively "proving" things outside of heresay, but the person I'm referring to is extremely well known at Gateway and is very honest (and always has been as long as I've known him). Ask anyone at Gateway and they'll vouch for him. He flared up pretty good when I mentioned Gary Duckworth, and that's probably the second time I've seen him like that.
Take it for what you will. That was me asking on your behalf to see if he knew anything about Gary's work; particularly for how expensive he is.
I know I've got no way of definitively "proving" things outside of heresay, but the person I'm referring to is extremely well known at Gateway and is very honest (and always has been as long as I've known him). Ask anyone at Gateway and they'll vouch for him. He flared up pretty good when I mentioned Gary Duckworth, and that's probably the second time I've seen him like that.
Take it for what you will. That was me asking on your behalf to see if he knew anything about Gary's work; particularly for how expensive he is.
Did he find out the play was before or after the tune? In some cases a bad tune can result in a screwed up platform. I am pretty sure Gary has warrenties for short periods of time explaining what a buyer should or shouldnt do. If he would have let Gary do the tune on his engine dyno, Gary would have honored the screw - up if it was his fault. No questions asked. Did he let Gary build it from the ground up? Or did he tell Gary what parts he wanted to use. That makes a difference too. By the way what is your friends name? Im pretty sure Gary remembers a screw up.
09-22-2013, 10:32 PM
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I have talked with more than one machinest in the area an they all said 10:4, 10:5 is very streetable. I also told them I wanted to run pump gas. Most of them were a little a leary about going higher CR. I might just have to take some timiming out to run 11:1 whenevr i get to that point. People in the forum said that my CR was around 9:5 when it was actually 10:4 which was wayyyyy off. So i just used a CR calculator and discussed things with my machinest to make sure I would get the CR i wanted
09-22-2013, 11:45 PM
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I am pretty sure that every good builder has had an issue here and there. Honestly I believe u. But the volume of work that he does from St. Louis, Illinois and all they way to New Jersey, Louisiana and down to Florida. People are not going to venture out thousands of miles for great machine work unless its worth it. Gary D does a lot of builds for Jerry Haas. He is well known chassis builder in the area and im pretty sure Jerry wouldnt recommend a mediocre machinist.
Did he find out the play was before or after the tune? In some cases a bad tune can result in a screwed up platform. I am pretty sure Gary has warrenties for short periods of time explaining what a buyer should or shouldnt do. If he would have let Gary do the tune on his engine dyno, Gary would have honored the screw - up if it was his fault. No questions asked. Did he let Gary build it from the ground up? Or did he tell Gary what parts he wanted to use. That makes a difference too. By the way what is your friends name? Im pretty sure Gary remembers a screw up.
Did he find out the play was before or after the tune? In some cases a bad tune can result in a screwed up platform. I am pretty sure Gary has warrenties for short periods of time explaining what a buyer should or shouldnt do. If he would have let Gary do the tune on his engine dyno, Gary would have honored the screw - up if it was his fault. No questions asked. Did he let Gary build it from the ground up? Or did he tell Gary what parts he wanted to use. That makes a difference too. By the way what is your friends name? Im pretty sure Gary remembers a screw up.
I asked him how he knew specifically because that's a fairly large claim against Gary. He said he knew something was wrong as soon as he fired the motor up because it ran awful. To back up his claims, he validated this with another one of the big engine builders in the area. Moose allowed him to inspect it to prove to Gary he didn't have any part in screwing things up so hopefully Gary would either fix it or compensate him for the damage. These were back to back problems at separate timings, but immediately prominent. He went to Gary the first time to ask him what's going on, and the second time he went to the other person (can't recall his name)... in that regard, he would have another professional shop validate his claim so Gary wouldn't excuse it as a personal error from lack of proper setup; particularly because of how costly this build was. Moose told me "Gary did great work at one time, but he's just getting too old to do it now and he's not nearly as attentive to detail as he used to be".
If you've been to the track recently, this is his car and you've probably seen it quite a few times:
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09-23-2013, 05:21 AM
#71
I have talked with more than one machinest in the area an they all said 10:4, 10:5 is very streetable. I also told them I wanted to run pump gas. Most of them were a little a leary about going higher CR. I might just have to take some timiming out to run 11:1 whenevr i get to that point. People in the forum said that my CR was around 9:5 when it was actually 10:4 which was wayyyyy off. So i just used a CR calculator and discussed things with my machinest to make sure I would get the CR i wanted
09-23-2013, 05:26 AM
#72
I have talked with more than one machinest in the area an they all said 10:4, 10:5 is very streetable. I also told them I wanted to run pump gas. Most of them were a little a leary about going higher CR. I might just have to take some timiming out to run 11:1 whenevr i get to that point. People in the forum said that my CR was around 9:5 when it was actually 10:4 which was wayyyyy off. So i just used a CR calculator and discussed things with my machinest to make sure I would get the CR i wanted
I used some generic figures in my original compression calculation (I used a CR calculator too) like deck height but you didn't give us all the details so for that I apologize. But IMO your compression is still far too low.
I HATE the term "streetable." It's just a widely used adjective to determine what people can and cannot stand in driving characteristics. What's streetable to me might not be streetable to you, but might be too docile for the next guy. It shouldn't be used in terms of what's good on the street and what isn't.
Your engine builders don't know what they're talking about when it comes to compression for the LT1. Listen to the guys on the forum.
09-23-2013, 08:18 AM
#73
11:1 is still too low. When will you learn this? Granted it won't HURT you but for the numbers you're looking for you are going to need all the help you can get.
I used some generic figures in my original compression calculation (I used a CR calculator too) like deck height but you didn't give us all the details so for that I apologize. But IMO your compression is still far too low.
I HATE the term "streetable." It's just a widely used adjective to determine what people can and cannot stand in driving characteristics. What's streetable to me might not be streetable to you, but might be too docile for the next guy. It shouldn't be used in terms of what's good on the street and what isn't.
Your engine builders don't know what they're talking about when it comes to compression for the LT1. Listen to the guys on the forum.
I used some generic figures in my original compression calculation (I used a CR calculator too) like deck height but you didn't give us all the details so for that I apologize. But IMO your compression is still far too low.
I HATE the term "streetable." It's just a widely used adjective to determine what people can and cannot stand in driving characteristics. What's streetable to me might not be streetable to you, but might be too docile for the next guy. It shouldn't be used in terms of what's good on the street and what isn't.
Your engine builders don't know what they're talking about when it comes to compression for the LT1. Listen to the guys on the forum.
09-23-2013, 12:30 PM
#74
Your builder has been machining before anyone here was born.. Maybe just maybe that's why he has no frikkin clue what compression you should have ?? Before I say more perhaps some googling of 'compression ratio' might help. In fact go sit beside your builder hold hands and google it with an iPad so you can both see why you could use more of it.
09-23-2013, 03:39 PM
#75
Your builder has been machining before anyone here was born.. Maybe just maybe that's why he has no frikkin clue what compression you should have ?? Before I say more perhaps some googling of 'compression ratio' might help. In fact go sit beside your builder hold hands and google it with an iPad so you can both see why you could use more of it.
09-23-2013, 03:56 PM
#76
Lmao maybe you should understand that I care nothing for et. And I paused to let the car beside me go down the track so my buddy on the side could get a clean sound clip. And ask your builder what would happen to a brz in a roll on race vs a 13.5 et @128 mph LMFAO
09-23-2013, 05:03 PM
#77
Compression doesn't equal racecar, most heads/cam setups on stock shortblocks are higher than 11:1. The LT4 warrantied and tuned for 91 octane with 100K mile tuneup interval was 10.8.
Far as your builder, often OLD OUTDATED knowledge stops people from doing things well today. Things change.
Far as your builder, often OLD OUTDATED knowledge stops people from doing things well today. Things change.
09-23-2013, 06:01 PM
#78
Compression doesn't equal racecar, most heads/cam setups on stock shortblocks are higher than 11:1. The LT4 warrantied and tuned for 91 octane with 100K mile tuneup interval was 10.8.
Far as your builder, often OLD OUTDATED knowledge stops people from doing things well today. Things change.
Far as your builder, often OLD OUTDATED knowledge stops people from doing things well today. Things change.