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Old Sep 18, 2013 | 03:15 PM
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Any body know the factory timing advance for a 96 Trans Am?
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Broad question. The computer uses a huge table for spark timing control over all ranges of engine operation.
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Broad question. The computer uses a huge table for spark timing control over all ranges of engine operation.
At the moment it's ranging from -19 to -28. Is that about normal or am I not understanding you?
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At the moment it's ranging from -19 to -28. Is that about normal or am I not understanding you?
I have an Actron data reading/code reading tool, and I was always confused that the ignition "advance" read in a negative number. I thought that there was something wrong with the tool. However, my timing numbers read in the same neighborhood....
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Shouldn't be negative, even when it's retarding ignition it's still positive
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Meaning its always before TDC
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Originally Posted by The Outlaw Kid
At the moment it's ranging from -19 to -28. Is that about normal or am I not understanding you?
As the table posted shows, it depends on the operational status of the engine. You can't just say -19 to -28 is normal without supplying the operational conditions.

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Shouldn't be negative, even when it's retarding ignition it's still positive
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Meaning its always before TDC
Yes, timing is always Before TDC (BTDC), however that makes it negative.

If the scanner value is timing, it would likely show it in negative degrees.

If the scanner value is advance, it would likely show it with a positive number (which is really a negative value, since it is advance).

Both mean the same thing.
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4
I have an Actron data reading/code reading tool, and I was always confused that the ignition "advance" read in a negative number. I thought that there was something wrong with the tool. However, my timing numbers read in the same neighborhood....
I'm hoping that means mine is fine. I think the thing I was using is an Actron too.

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Shouldn't be negative, even when it's retarding ignition it's still positive. Meaning its always before TDC
Like shbox said before TDC would be negative. But I've never seen it displayed as -19. I guess I've only seen it shown as advance value before. Which is probably where some of my confusion is coming from.


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As the table posted shows, it depends on the operational status of the engine. You can't just say -19 to -28 is normal without supplying the operational conditions.
That was just at idle. Around 800-1000 rpms. I'm assuming the 25 30 35... at the top of the graph is MAP signal. I don't really know how to check that but I've never looked into it. I guess I was hoping for a number to be around. I should've known better.

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Yes, timing is always Before TDC (BTDC), however that makes it negative.
This was my thinking.

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If the scanner value is timing, it would likely show it in negative degrees.
The tool I used just brings up a digital timing gauge. I'm assuming the value is timing because of what you mentioned.

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If the scanner value is advance, it would likely show it with a positive number (which is really a negative value, since it is advance).


Both mean the same thing.

I think I've seen people use a scanner like that before.


RamAir thanks for posting the chart I'm saving it for future reference.

If you guys can't tell I haven't messed with ignition timing a whole lot before. So if I seem like a newb I guess I am.
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Originally Posted by shbox
.....Yes, timing is always Before TDC (BTDC), however that makes it negative.

If the scanner value is timing, it would likely show it in negative degrees.

If the scanner value is advance, it would likely show it with a positive number (which is really a negative value, since it is advance).

Both mean the same thing.
I guess I never thought of it that way, as I'm an old school, "timing marks on the damper against the timing tab of the front cover of the engine, lit up by the timing light", kind of guy.

It's like the new, digital read out, front end machines. The "toe-in" value is always a positive number, indicating "toe-in". However, when the toe number posted on the read out is a negative number, it indicates "toe-out".....
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Old Sep 20, 2013 | 07:22 AM
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Ah that makes sense lok
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