I wonder if bubee27 concedes "Understanding what someone meant does not mean the proper terminology should be disregarded." and how he feels 'bout " If you are saying "port an polish though it sounds like maybe you or a friend decades out of touch is going to be doing the work..."?

Would anyone of u like to receive that kind of crap when asking for help? But then its ok when its not directed to u?

 

I am still here. I have been doing alot of research. Reading a bunch of threads and peoples replies. I understand that people can be straight and to the point when it comes to their beliefs. I respect all and anyone willing to take the time to reply to a question i have. As long as it is a somewhat related reply. I have also learned on here, that a person cant come on here and ask a general question, Because different components are going to obviously respond differently with each engine and setup. Hope this makes sense.

 

Makes perfect sense. Glad you have some thick skin, you'll do fine here.

 

That and put people on ignore.

 

Hey Bub, good to see u back. I hated to watch u become discouraged in just 1 post for just asking for help. As far as that goes this forum is not policed by the mods at all and more frequented by some stalking clowns that will degrade more that help someone. Watch out for their hearsay and "general consensus" advice that really have no factual proof.

The more information in your cars and your profile will help us help u. And trying a search for frequent questions before posting will help the process also.

As for porting your heads there are several companies that specialize in the LT1: TPIS, Golan, and i believe Lingenfelter still ports the LT1 - well yes but very expensive. They are different than the GEN I sb heads and the pocket porting for GEN I heads does not do as much or does nothing for the LT1 head. LT1 head has a great exhaust port. Need an experienced LT1 porter. Only improvements i would trust a cyl head shop would be larger vlvs (2.00/1.6) and a 3 to 5 angle vlv job - of course better springs to match your new cam.
IMHO the trickflow heads are the best hp/$:Trick Flow® GenX® 185 Cylinder Heads for GM LT1. Bolt'm on and go.

TPIS does a great great job upgrading your original Throttle Body and that would be my choice. No need for larger TB in your situation.

Good luck with your upgrades,
cardo

 

1.6 valves wont fit LT1 valve seats, meaning substantial extra cost and work to fit them when 7000+rpm strokers have gone 9s NA with 1.56 valves that fit the stock seats.

cardo based on what data are you recommending the 185cc trickflow?


Looking at the full kit from Trickflow with a 220/227 cam is rated to make 430fwhp and that kit cost about the same as one would spend on ported GM heads. Now granted with GM heads you might be looking at buying cores and you might be able to sell yours when done but the power expectation from ported GM heads from the popular vendors is WAY WAY over 430fwhp.

 

A set of ported GM castings from AI will vastly outperform any of the as-cast TFS stuff. Aftermarket castings are a waste of money on LT1 builds unless your goals are more towards 500rwhp and you're building a big stroker, then you need ported aftermarket castings. The machine work and port work is what makes a head, not the name on the casting.
In either case, those big valves are not necessary either.

 

Several builds have even eclipsed the 500rwhp mark with the AI ported stock castings with 2.00/1.56 valves. IMO for most of us dabbling in street/strip stuff stock size valves would get the job done but that would be more R&D for a smaller bowl and separate CNC programs and more hassle than it is worth for vendors when the 2.00/1.56 combo doesn't hurt on mild motors and leaves the customer room to grow.

If I were going all out I would look at one of the Trickflow offerings to begin porting, they are a quality product and a good starting point.

 

Didnt even try to list all the possible heads or porters. AI ports heads well - so what? Did i say anything good or bad 'bout AI ported heads? Just forgot to included them - BFD. But as far a price goes AI is one of the more expensive porters. Didnt evern try to post all the data & prices for heads and porters, if OP requests some id be happy to help though.

Again i didnt say the OP should make trick flows his first choice. I like trick flows for the price, if someone else doesnt again BFD. AFR makes great heads also and i didnt list them either - why didnt anyone else?? But again i like trick flows for the price. If someone wants to they can make a table for the OP of every head mfr, head porter, price, flow numbers. That way someone could show how "very knowledgeable" they really are. Myself i use a book by Myron Cottrell (TPIS) that has flow comparisons of most the popular LT1 heads.
I would recommend using larger exh vlvs than stock (along with larger intk vlvs) though 1.55" maybe the max for that stock seat - yes meaning 1.60" could be too large and expensive to use. I guess i have to defend everything here - my typos too.

My intend is to help the OP here where he requests - not battle over whos got the best products.

Again attacks by the usual sorry azz losers,
cardo

 

And you have left zero doubt in any sane mind that you're completely incapable of doing that.

So TPIS is your heads bible, eh? Since you're all about internet searches and regurgitating stuff you barely understand, try some "new testament" stuff too

And BTW, your little hissy fit is getting old. That guy you're so desperate to get a rise out of......he does know a little bit about LT1's. You'd do well to soak up some stuff he posts and take it over to a more amateur message board where you could impress them with your "knowledge" !

 

cardo, you are way way outside your knowledge range and till you see that people are going to keep correcting you.

Again you defend the Trickflows your focus is now price. The Trickflow 185cc heads are $800apiece that is $1600 compared to AI porting stockers to the 190cc version for $1450.
You compare complete heads/cam/gaskets etc. packages and the AI kit for $5 less includes a fair amount more like new lifters and pushrods. It is also rated at 390-430RWHP as opposed to 430fwhp. Slightly cheaper more complete and more power.

There are a lot more heads and cam options than what is being discussed here, but fact is still fact that for the money the trickflow as cast isn't a very good choice.

The Advanced Induction was just cited by HellTeeOne as one example that handily outperforms the as cast trickflow.

Far as TPIS I have a friend that made the mistake of trusting them, end result is his AFR(TPIS CNC'd) topped 383 in an f-body is slower than my old 190cc setup in my Caprice much less the 200cc setup. Magazine articles aren't the measure of a quality product. My old 190cc heads were his original LT1 heads and he actually wanted to buy them back to replace the AFRs but wasn't in a position to when I needed to sell them.

Far as "typos" yours are not typos, yours is a deep seated ignorance of the topic at hand combined with an absolute refusal to learn. Even after I point out 1.56 are commonly used by the popular LT1 vendors you still chose to write 1.55". I am not buying typo on that, you just can't admit I am right. You have chosen to blindly attack me for anything I say and other posters backing me up only seems to upset you more.

Intelligent people LEARN from their mistakes and want to be corrected when they are wrong, blind defense of incorrect data only hurts those who might mistake someone for knowledgable.

 

Cardo, Caprice, lets just set a time and place and get this asswhoopin over with. any body with any experience knows who has actually done this, and who has read a book and thinks they now have the knowledge of the almighty.

 

And you have left zero doubt in any sane mind that you're completely incapable of doing that.

So TPIS is your heads bible, eh? Since you're all about internet searches and regurgitating stuff you barely understand, try some "new testament" stuff too

Yea zero doubt u have nothing to say to help the OP. Just another badmouthing turd.

Oh i cant use TPIS Books for information. Well i aint gonna waite for a no-mind like u to publish something.

Yea your posts are just one personal attack no useful content. U think u can bad mouth others just because they know more than u - the truth hurts and everyone can read your pain.

Again you defend the Trickflows your focus is now price. The Trickflow 185cc heads are $800apiece that is $1600 compared to AI porting stockers to the 190cc version for $1450.
You compare complete heads/cam/gaskets etc. packages and the AI kit for $5 less includes a fair amount more like new lifters and pushrods. It is also rated at 390-430RWHP as opposed to 430fwhp. Slightly cheaper more complete and more power.

Well i believe i mentioned larger vlvs. Check AI prices again for heads with larger vlvs - "Cost: $1775".

More sorry azz whine. No i dont have time to respond to every item the village idiots spaze over .

Game time,
cardo

 

cardo you are so desperate to blindly argue with me that you refuse to see data right in front of you. The AI 190cc heads I referenced have 2.00/1.56 valves and again as I noted the price for the work is $1450.

 

Ok i didnt see them - larger vlvs - when i went to price check. So i made a mistake i can admit it - thats something u cant. Some how u think that is "desperate to blindly argue with u" and is another of your major distortions. Nothing could be further from the truth. I really just want to expose your psychotic harassment - and it becomes easier to do.
I made a recommendation to the OP on trickflows and somehow u want to argue bout AI ported stock heads - something i never even mentioned or have reviewed much. If you want to recommend AI on performance or price go ahead i could care less. And if it helps the OP all the better. But i dont read anything your doing to help the OP. Only to degrade the guy. And as for posting your own threads for debate i dont imagine anyone participating in anything with u. When was the last time u posted your own thread??

If this forum only allowed those that have tried more than 1 set of performance heads - ported stock or aftermarket - it would be nearly empty. Yes I do use the research of others but from published reliable sources - not hearsay like "the general consensus". If u dont like it call a cop - see if he cares.

cardo


Oh and looking over the AI w/s for LT1 heads what do they use for aftermarket head castings? Yes, their premium LT1 head?? Trick Flow of course and the stuff them with huge 2.08"/1.60" valves. Well how bout that??? Who would have though of using trick flow head and large vlvs??? Whos calling that bad advice? I dont have to use any names.

 

HellTeeOne brought up AI I did not. I wrote that one above as well but you seem to have chosen to ignore that fact to further your ongoing work of fiction.

Far as the AI trickflow offerings and valve size. The valve size issue I brought up with your post was you told someone to put valves in that would not fit stock seats and I said it wasn't worth putting the bigger seats in to accommodate that oversized valve.

The ported Trickflows are what I would look at for a stroker turning over 7000rpm and it makes perfect sense to put the bigger valves in them especially since if you buy they assembled from Trickflow they have 2.02/1.6 valves. The CNC'd trickflows are meant to be the next step beyond what ported GM stuff as such offering them with larger valves than fit in the GM castings is the logical thing to do.

In post 28 I had already stated that if I were going all out I would look at one of the Trickflow offerings to be ported.

You keep trying to argue with things you imagine I said. The ported Trickflows would be my choice if going further than ported GM LT1 heads will take me. If I were looking to run 10s NA with a b-body they would definitely be a part of the equation.

 

 

Ok wrd1972, this humors me too. Im glad to see at least someone is enjoying this.

Post #31: cardo, you are way way outside your knowledge range and till you see that people are going to keep correcting you. So my advice to use trick flow heads and or larger valves is outside my knowledge range?? That AI sells that product as their premium ported head speaks for itself. U cant admit my advice is good - your loss not mine. But im sure u want to argue details of why they do so - start your own thread and lets see who participates if anyone.
BTW what is your stock head and intake advice for the OP??

Post #36: HellTeeOne brought up AI I did not. Again a flat out lie! You continue to distort my statements and change the topic. Here u mention AI in post #31: Again you defend the Trickflows your focus is now price. The Trickflow 185cc heads are $800apiece that is $1600 compared to AI porting stockers to the 190cc version for $1450.
But what i really said was: I like trick flows for the price, if someone else doesnt again BFD. Myself i wont say anything bad about AI but havent looked into them enough to have an opinion - something you refuse to accept. U are so dysfunctional u just want to argue anything u can to save face - even my typos. The fact u cant admit as cast trickflow heads or upgrading to larger vlvs is good advice but rather make personal attacks instead tell me your advice is constantly distorted. U need medical help - not automotive mechanical advice.

You compare complete heads/cam/gaskets etc. packages and the AI kit for $5 less includes a fair amount more like new lifters and pushrods. It is also rated at 390-430RWHP as opposed to 430fwhp. Slightly cheaper more complete and more power.
So whos comparing "complete heads/cam/gaskets etc. packages"? Im not here to do price shopping. Your desperate and out of control. U just keep making up more BS.
So where do get your "rated" hp numbers"?? The mfr w/s? What a sucker. Your not getting any funnier but actually more stupid, keep it coming as at least your entertaining to others here. Oh, oh and your data, numbers, ratings are more legitimate than mine even without references? WTF?? The TPIS published data i use for reference isnt good enough for u? Ha, ha, ha. Now that is funny. BTW the information i share is for the OP and not intended to be wasted on endless arguments with u know who.


Post #31: Far as TPIS I have a friend that made the mistake of trusting them, end result is his AFR(TPIS CNC'd) topped 383 in an f-body is slower than my old 190cc setup in my Caprice much less the 200cc setup.
U claim u have a friend? Or are those just little voices u have in your head. But u continue to post hearsay from what someone else said. Who knows how screwed up your no-name "friend" combination was or his install was yet u think everyone is naive enough to believe u on your word - not so. Your credibility is so low I cant believe any more of your "he said" BS.

Post #31: Far as "typos" yours are not typos, yours is a deep seated ignorance of the topic at hand combined with an absolute refusal to learn. Even after I point out 1.56 are commonly used by the popular LT1 vendors you still chose to write 1.55".
No, not a typo. The GM #12551313 sodium filled 1.55" exh vlv is a great lighweigt upgrade over stock. I wasnt giving u advice as it would be a waste of time with your limited little brain is locked into 0.01" diameter difference for performance. More of your ignorance that inflames your brain when it sees something it cant comprehend. No i dont want to debate valve train weight either - start your own thread to do so.

Again, where is your advice for the OP. Dont u have any???

Im getting bored,
cardo

 

TEA ports the best heads hands down.