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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 10:47 AM
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My question is what is your timing advance at wot?

Without meth

Reason I'm asking is my car feels slower after going from lt1 pcm and ignition and 11.7 psi. To 24x conversion and smaller pulley that makes 14 psi. And odviously different tunes.

Also I'm not a tuner nor do I have a clue about the subject I'm just trying to get pointed in the right direction. I have hptuners pro for datalogging. And the car was dyno tuned by a "professional " Ls tuner . My a/f stays in the 11's throuout wot.

Thanks in advance keith
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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 05:31 PM
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whats the timing set too at wot?
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Old Jul 22, 2014 | 08:55 PM
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Without knowing much more, 19 or more would be a good starting point.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 07:58 AM
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whats the timing set too at wot?
I'm at 16.5* @ wot

It's a forged 355 somewhere around 9:5:1 compression. That car has no ***** at 14+ psi
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 08:39 AM
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Go race it, report back.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 08:58 AM
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Without dyno results to compare curves, or each tune to compare, its hard to speculate just based on feeling.

If it is a lot smoother and linear power delivery with the new computer, it could actually be faster while feeling slower.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Puck
Without dyno results to compare curves, or each tune to compare, its hard to speculate just based on feeling.

If it is a lot smoother and linear power delivery with the new computer, it could actually be faster while feeling slower.
I'll try and post the two dyno graphs tonight one was the prior setup on a dynojet it made 548. The last one was tuned on a mustang dyno "the heartbreaker" and it only made like 430. I know that's Apple's to oranges . But I was expecting closer to the dynojet # with the added boost and good tune.

Thanks for the input fellahs

maybe I'll drive it tomarrow and try and race my friends 600hp 2010. I might be able to get him out of the hole at least lol
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 06:06 PM
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I'm no expert on the LS PCM but I aim for 24 to 26 degrees AFTER all mystery timing is added on the LT1 pcm.
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There are tuning differences between tuning an lt1 on a 24x vs ls1 besides simply what the different motors like. Iirc there is a bank difference between the two but I'm going off memory of a conversation and not personal experience.
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 08:23 PM
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you need to verify you have the injectors and coils swapped so they are running the correct cylinders. (4/7 swapped) i would imagine those being incorrect could kill 100hp pretty easy.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 07:45 AM
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Here's my 2 dyno sheets.

When I figure out the licences with no tuners I'll check #4 and #7 assighnment. Thanks for the suggestions

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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 07:52 AM
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37 at 20psi with q16.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 08:32 AM
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37 at 20psi with q16.
Nice I take it those # netted you the 9.21 in your pick?

Thanks for the input I read some older threads and everyone was saying mid 20's and someone made mention that there's not much difference between n/a and fi. When it comes to timing with the lt1. Either way I've got a lot to learn I guess.
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19* at 10psi.

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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KAMSVT
Nice I take it those # netted you the 9.21 in your pick?

Thanks for the input I read some older threads and everyone was saying mid 20's and someone made mention that there's not much difference between n/a and fi. When it comes to timing with the lt1. Either way I've got a lot to learn I guess.
Yes. The 9.2 x run was from the ltx shootout. Da was 3500ft. We have run as quick as 8.90 at 154.
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Old Jul 29, 2014 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BIGCAT7274
37 at 20psi with q16.
Wow, I cant believe you are running 37 degrees of timing at WOT with 20 psi !! Am I reading this correctly? is Q16 different than C16?
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Old Jul 29, 2014 | 12:42 PM
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It's just oxygenated is the difference
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Old Jul 29, 2014 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by moehorsepower
Wow, I cant believe you are running 37 degrees of timing at WOT with 20 psi !! Am I reading this correctly? is Q16 different than C16?
That's not a typo. I will tell you that iat has a bearing on how aggressive you can be as well as water grains ppa.
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Old Jul 30, 2014 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BIGCAT7274
That's not a typo. I will tell you that iat has a bearing on how aggressive you can be as well as water grains ppa.
Yes I understand IAT and PPA but I guess I have never been in an environment where I could get away with that much. ppa especially..
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 08:28 PM
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so i finally got up the ***** to change the high and low octane tables and at 2* increments i have advanced the timing to 26* at wot with no kr. and it pulls like a mother im pretty sure i found my missing hp. im going to stop here and try and learn more about tuning and hptuners before i put it on a dyno and try and find mbt.

so in my experience for those who read this and are sticking with the lt1 and 24x conv make sure the tuner doesnt treat it like another boosted ls1 and put 16.5* of timing to it. hopefully they tune to mbt.

i would like to add that i am not a tuner nor do i have a clue what im doing but itll be fun till it goes boom. lol.

thanks for all the info
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