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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 10:23 AM
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For an NA build the stock intake is enough for the majority of people. With boost or a decent amount of nitrous then I would go single plane. Nitrous and boost motors don't care about losing a bit of tq in the mid-low end for some power up top, they should be making more TQ then they can use anyway.

I've seen LT1 guys switch to single plane intakes a lot more often then I've seen SBC guys switch to a short runner bread box. Just something to consider.

Originally Posted by Shownomercy
According to LS1tech, the stock intake is good to 7s no issue what so ever and anyone who swaps out to a single plane is a retard who doesn't know anything. Average ET of poster: mid 12s

According to YB, the stock breadbox is a paper weight and you should have a single plane. Average ET of poster: mid 8s

Lmao .
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Few years ago there was a guy who specifically stated he wished he hadn't spent the money, made like 20hp peak more but lost so much over such a broad range below 6500 that it didn't pay off.
This is the kind of info I like to read here on ls1tech.
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 12:39 PM
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By low end torque are we talking like 1-2500 rpm?
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 03:29 PM
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More like idle to 4000-6000 depending on the build.
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 04:46 PM
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My new combo will have back to back ported LT4 vs Single plane/elbow testing done....it should be interesting


If I can locate the parts I will also test LTx CAI vs LSx lid
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 05:08 PM
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But a victor jr should make power low too, everyone acts like a single plane is like killer **** but people with carbs use them from the getco
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DUDCOUPE
But a victor jr should make power low too, everyone acts like a single plane is like killer **** but people with carbs use them from the getco
stock carbed vehicles have a dual plane intake. well at least old chevy v8's.
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nitrous2fast
stock carbed vehicles have a dual plane intake. well at least old chevy v8's.
But what do smart carbed people upgrade to from the start?
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DUDCOUPE
But what do smart carbed people upgrade to from the start?
Smart?

Read this, then tell me how smart it is to just slap a different intake on an engine without building the engine for it. Tell me how smart it is to put a high rise SP on a stock 1978 Camaro 350.... These people probably also threw on a 750 double pumper too....
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by hrcslam
Smart?

Read this, then tell me how smart it is to just slap a different intake on an engine without building the engine for it. Tell me how smart it is to put a high rise SP on a stock 1978 Camaro 350.... These people probably also threw on a 750 double pumper too....
what an average carb guy does is hardly gospel. Overcarbed and poorly tuned, low compression motors, off the shelf baby cams, low rpm big convertors, glasspacks, high pressure oil pumps with stock pans, etc. are common place with the average carb guy. Not that this is the whole of them but most of the ones you'll run into outside the fast guys at the track.
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by myltwon
what an average carb guy does is hardly gospel. Overcarbed and poorly tuned, low compression motors, off the shelf baby cams, low rpm big convertors, glasspacks, high pressure oil pumps with stock pans, etc. are common place with the average carb guy. Not that this is the whole of them but most of the ones you'll run into outside the fast guys at the track.
I agree. I'm confused are you agreeing with me??

I don't find it smart to throw a high rise single plane on a carb'd 1978 350 in a Chevy Camaro. Which, apparently, is how smart carb'd guys upgrade from the start.
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Old Aug 5, 2014 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hrcslam
I agree. I'm confused are you agreeing with me??

I don't find it smart to throw a high rise single plane on a carb'd 1978 350 in a Chevy Camaro. Which, apparently, is how smart carb'd guys upgrade from the start.
I think he is agreeing with you in a sarcastic manner.

Unless you are FI/N20 or spinning a NA motor well past the stock PCM rpm limits, I would believe a single plane is a waste of money that could be spent elsewhere.

The OP has a stock 350ci motor with heads/cam so I doubt he will gain much at all except a cool looking intake.
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Old Aug 6, 2014 | 02:25 AM
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Thats how i win my car show awards, need all the cool stuff....

But i was intrigued on how the iac goes on these. So how would you do the iac if someone used the lt1 style throttle body? I guess lsx tb's just crack the blade a tad
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Old Aug 6, 2014 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DUDCOUPE
Thats how i win my car show awards, need all the cool stuff....

But i was intrigued on how the iac goes on these. So how would you do the iac if someone used the lt1 style throttle body? I guess lsx tb's just crack the blade a tad
The LSx TB's feed idle air through the IAC valve directly into the plenum. The LSx intakes don't have any idle air passages on the intake.

In any case, it doesn't really matter if you crack the blades or use the IAC with a single plane (or dual for that matter) as the air will be distributed the same way once it gets past the TB. The advantage of the IAC is having it step the idle up or down based on A/C, load, and or speed.

I do suggest you adjust the individual injector trims at idle and low throttle while on the dyno though. The individual injector trims are adjusted for the LT1 intake and will need changed for the single plane.

I'm subscribed for the dyno results.
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Old Aug 6, 2014 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by hrcslam
I agree. I'm confused are you agreeing with me??

I don't find it smart to throw a high rise single plane on a carb'd 1978 350 in a Chevy Camaro. Which, apparently, is how smart carb'd guys upgrade from the start.
yeah was just lazy in my quoting
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Old Aug 6, 2014 | 10:17 AM
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If you're staying below 7100 rpm with an NA setup, you won't gain a thing with a SP/Victor type intake. My friend Mike Harris, who runs the quickest NA ImpalaSS (10.4 @ 127 at 3800 lbs, factory PCM) experimented with numerous SP and homemade intakes and never went any quicker than with his ported LT1 manifold. He was able to make a few more peak HP on the dyno with some of the setups, but none outperformed the ported LT1 at the track.
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Old Aug 6, 2014 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bowtienut
If you're staying below 7100 rpm with an NA setup, you won't gain a thing with a SP/Victor type intake. My friend Mike Harris, who runs the quickest NA ImpalaSS (10.4 @ 127 at 3800 lbs, factory PCM) experimented with numerous SP and homemade intakes and never went any quicker than with his ported LT1 manifold. He was able to make a few more peak HP on the dyno with some of the setups, but none outperformed the ported LT1 at the track.
Nice to know someone else has experimented. Saves me from wasting time, thanks for the info.
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Old Aug 6, 2014 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Shownomercy
According to LS1tech, the stock intake is good to 7s no issue what so ever and anyone who swaps out to a single plane is a retard who doesn't know anything. Average ET of poster: mid 12s

According to YB, the stock breadbox is a paper weight and you should have a single plane. Average ET of poster: mid 8s

Haha, epic post. Man I knew I should not have dropped back in my old stomping grounds lt1 section on here...aye yae yae. Reading this stuff gets me all worked up. History lesson, but relative: my next upgrade prior selling my mule PEPE, was a well laid out and detailed plan for a SP intake setup, along with a Demon TB up top, already had the hood setup. I don't honestly know if it'd have made much of a difference from the ported LT4 with ASM Monoblade TB, but I was bored with the setup at time of sale. It may have put me in the mid 10s, who knows. These days I'm less concerned about 1/4 et...but that happens when you're not in a daily driver race car
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Old Aug 6, 2014 | 04:42 PM
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keeping an eye on this !!
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 10:13 AM
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If I were to do single plane I would add this:

http://www.nitrousoutlet.com/carbure...te-system.html
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