LE2 package vs competitors
09-09-2014, 12:32 PM
#21
Out of curiosity have you ever dealt with Lloyd or even spoken with him?
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09-09-2014, 03:30 PM
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Those of us who have experienced issues with Lloyds work have been well taken care of by Lloyd too. And he's only a quick e-mail or phone call away, great customer service. Most of us never experience problems with Lloyds work.
Thousands of positive unsolicited reviews and recommendations from enthusiasts across the nation vs a few bad ones followed with a recommendation to a competitors product? I don't think Lloyd needs to sweat this.
So long as he does what he's been doing and doing right by his work, he'll have nothing to worry about.
09-09-2014, 03:39 PM
#23
He's entitled his opinion, whether it be first hand or not. His is one of few though.
Those of us who have experienced issues with Lloyds work have been well taken care of by Lloyd too. And he's only a quick e-mail or phone call away, great customer service. Most of us never experience problems with Lloyds work.
Thousands of positive unsolicited reviews and recommendations from enthusiasts across the nation vs a few bad ones followed with a recommendation to a competitors product? I don't think Lloyd needs to sweat this.
So long as he does what he's been doing and doing right by his work, he'll have nothing to worry about.
Those of us who have experienced issues with Lloyds work have been well taken care of by Lloyd too. And he's only a quick e-mail or phone call away, great customer service. Most of us never experience problems with Lloyds work.
Thousands of positive unsolicited reviews and recommendations from enthusiasts across the nation vs a few bad ones followed with a recommendation to a competitors product? I don't think Lloyd needs to sweat this.
So long as he does what he's been doing and doing right by his work, he'll have nothing to worry about.
09-09-2014, 04:58 PM
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09-09-2014, 05:19 PM
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If the two friends I know who used LE heads where one had QC issues and the other had performance problems, along with the many other QC issues that have been noted on these threads moreso than other venders mentioned is "spewing hate" then I sleep just fine. Again, it's an opinion based on anomalies spawned over the years.
09-09-2014, 09:28 PM
#26
I don't consider the examples posted as isolated incidents. I knew several people with similar experiences with the lack of quality control from over 5 years ago when I was considering my own H/C setup.
I simply was not willing to play the odds of having to disassemble the engine and send parts back for about a $250 potential cost savings. I work in the aerospace industry; I recognize and appreciate every effort to remove variations from a process.
That said, going back to the original post, I would still go with a ported stock casting LE setup over any of the out-of-the-box setups from TFS, Edelbrock, and those likes. The slight risk is justified by the huge performance per dollar difference.
I simply was not willing to play the odds of having to disassemble the engine and send parts back for about a $250 potential cost savings. I work in the aerospace industry; I recognize and appreciate every effort to remove variations from a process.
That said, going back to the original post, I would still go with a ported stock casting LE setup over any of the out-of-the-box setups from TFS, Edelbrock, and those likes. The slight risk is justified by the huge performance per dollar difference.
09-09-2014, 10:55 PM
#27
If the two friends I know who used LE heads where one had QC issues and the other had performance problems, along with the many other QC issues that have been noted on these threads moreso than other venders mentioned is "spewing hate" then I sleep just fine. Again, it's an opinion based on anomalies spawned over the years.
09-09-2014, 11:02 PM
#28
You betcha...but here's the difference. Some things are opinions, while other things have clear right and wrong. Telling someone you did not have a positive dealing with someone is fine, even going as far as to say you wouldn't personally go with someone, that's fine too. The issue here is guys who get into the LE threads just to bash them...that's not opinion that's hatred and just wrong.
And to whoever said you don't hear about other companies? Are you kidding? Not to mention if I was all over another company talking about how great they are, then had a $2000 set of heads take a dump on me I'd probably be too embarrassed to share. Ever think maybe that's why you don't here about those deals?
And to whoever said you don't hear about other companies? Are you kidding? Not to mention if I was all over another company talking about how great they are, then had a $2000 set of heads take a dump on me I'd probably be too embarrassed to share. Ever think maybe that's why you don't here about those deals?
09-10-2014, 01:01 AM
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I have a set of LE2 heads on my car. I wouldn't deal with him again.
Great guy to deal with as a person and as far as questions go.
However my heads were sent with worn valve guides, to the point they would rock back and forth. The valve seats weren't not machined properly, very very thin in a lot of areas. I'm surprised they sealed up.
I ended up having the heads repaired locally for another $600-$800. Can't remember as it was 2-3years ago. New guides, re machined seats, new seals. Had them flow tested as well. Peak numbers were what is stated on his site, but overall nothing outstanding. Car only made 350rwhp with supporting mods after dyno tune.
I called and complained about them, I was only offered a discount on parts and nothing else.
**** poor customer service as far as I'm concerned. So I'll never deal with him again
Great guy to deal with as a person and as far as questions go.
However my heads were sent with worn valve guides, to the point they would rock back and forth. The valve seats weren't not machined properly, very very thin in a lot of areas. I'm surprised they sealed up.
I ended up having the heads repaired locally for another $600-$800. Can't remember as it was 2-3years ago. New guides, re machined seats, new seals. Had them flow tested as well. Peak numbers were what is stated on his site, but overall nothing outstanding. Car only made 350rwhp with supporting mods after dyno tune.
I called and complained about them, I was only offered a discount on parts and nothing else.
**** poor customer service as far as I'm concerned. So I'll never deal with him again
09-10-2014, 12:16 PM
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I have a set of LE2 heads on my car. I wouldn't deal with him again.
Great guy to deal with as a person and as far as questions go.
However my heads were sent with worn valve guides, to the point they would rock back and forth. The valve seats weren't not machined properly, very very thin in a lot of areas. I'm surprised they sealed up.
I ended up having the heads repaired locally for another $600-$800. Can't remember as it was 2-3years ago. New guides, re machined seats, new seals. Had them flow tested as well. Peak numbers were what is stated on his site, but overall nothing outstanding. Car only made 350rwhp with supporting mods after dyno tune.
I called and complained about them, I was only offered a discount on parts and nothing else.
**** poor customer service as far as I'm concerned. So I'll never deal with him again
Great guy to deal with as a person and as far as questions go.
However my heads were sent with worn valve guides, to the point they would rock back and forth. The valve seats weren't not machined properly, very very thin in a lot of areas. I'm surprised they sealed up.
I ended up having the heads repaired locally for another $600-$800. Can't remember as it was 2-3years ago. New guides, re machined seats, new seals. Had them flow tested as well. Peak numbers were what is stated on his site, but overall nothing outstanding. Car only made 350rwhp with supporting mods after dyno tune.
I called and complained about them, I was only offered a discount on parts and nothing else.
**** poor customer service as far as I'm concerned. So I'll never deal with him again
And I could see light between the seat and valve after 3-4 k miles. I had to spend around the same amount of $$ to make mine salvageable to sell. Learned my lesson to do things right the 1st time after that, and not to go with internet hype. 
09-10-2014, 04:00 PM
#36
I have a set of le2s and they worked fine when I ran them on my stock bottom end. I went with him again with my 355 and had him port some tfs 21degree heads. No numbers or track times yet but it is running great and feels much faster than my old engine. Not that I dont believe anyone that had some problems but thats been my experience for what its worth anyway.
