Track time finally!
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Track time finally! I went to my local track the other day and finally got some decent passes. Now keep in mind that I was using street tires for the time being, but cam only I ran a 13.3 at 104 and a 2.1 60'. Is this decent for cam only? I mean literally cam only lol, I only have the CC503, street tires, stock stall, 1.5 stock rockers, stock unported heads, and mail order tune. I do plan on getting the drag radials, 1.6 rockers, torque converter, and heads ported by Lloyd Elliott sometime to support this cam but not right now. I should see 12's in the future with these mods correct? I've searched but numbers are all over the place.
Stock valve springs? What rpm did you shift at? Those shortys are choking you a bit, theres about a second left on the table if you can shift it at 6500 where it needs to be shifted. A stall certainly would be next on the mod list, along with long tubes and sticky tires.
Fun, isn't it?
Fun, isn't it?
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Stock valve springs? What rpm did you shift at? Those shortys are choking you a bit, theres about a second left on the table if you can shift it at 6500 where it needs to be shifted. A stall certainly would be next on the mod list, along with long tubes and sticky tires.
Fun, isn't it?
Fun, isn't it?
Nah, they are .570 lift Alex Springs for now. I want the dual spring lunati kit I always read about on here when I get my heads ported and 1.6 rockers. I'm shifting it a little past the stock limiter, not sure exactly though... kinda scared about the stock bottom end at that RPM. I also did plan on Long tubes as well. so it sounds like I'm on the right track for future mods then, and yes it is a blast!
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very good times for a cam only
.1 decrease in your 60' time=.2 at the big end so if you get a tire (MT ET Street 26 x 10 on a 15" rim) and a higher stall TC you will likely pick up at least .3 on the 60' getting you into the 12's (12.7)
Head work, 1:6 RR, headers, etc, etc will all improve beyond the tires and stall......until you hit a track with 5,000' DA and you struggle to stay in low 13's :-(
very good times for a cam only
.1 decrease in your 60' time=.2 at the big end so if you get a tire (MT ET Street 26 x 10 on a 15" rim) and a higher stall TC you will likely pick up at least .3 on the 60' getting you into the 12's (12.7)
Head work, 1:6 RR, headers, etc, etc will all improve beyond the tires and stall......until you hit a track with 5,000' DA and you struggle to stay in low 13's :-(
I think you are on par with your mod level.
My friend has the same cam, 1.6rr, Longtubes, Magnaflow cat back, vigilante3600, 3.42s, dragradials, k&n cai and m/o tune and his best pass is 12.89@104 our DA was 3000'
Same set up at sea level gets 12.5 - 11.8 again depending on DA
My friend has the same cam, 1.6rr, Longtubes, Magnaflow cat back, vigilante3600, 3.42s, dragradials, k&n cai and m/o tune and his best pass is 12.89@104 our DA was 3000'
Same set up at sea level gets 12.5 - 11.8 again depending on DA
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I know we do have differences with yours being an auto and mine a manual, but 83 was around what my MPH was after the CC503/1.6 RR swap. I was on stock exhaust manifolds after the install. After installing Kooks long tubes, I picked up 0.5sec and 5 MPH in the 1/8th. So you should have plenty of power to uncork in that motor.
For reference, here are my benchmarks below....
5/22/08
Baseline stock with K&N CAI and Flowmaster catback.
Warmed up:9.1@80.322mph
Full cool down:8.9@82.436mph
10/03/08
CC503, 1.6 NSA Pro Mag Roller rockers, PAC 1518 springs, 10* retainers/locks, Trickflow guideplates, 7.2" Comp hardened pushrods, stock heads, stock exhaust manifolds, catback exhaust, K&N CAI, FMS 30# Injectors.
Warmed up:8.882@83.770mph
No full cool down run.
2/19/11
Added Kooks Long tube headers(1 3/4" x 3") and dual cat y-pipe.
Warmed up:8.437@87.88mph
Partial cool down:8.389@88.354mph
For reference, here are my benchmarks below....
5/22/08
Baseline stock with K&N CAI and Flowmaster catback.
Warmed up:9.1@80.322mph
Full cool down:8.9@82.436mph
10/03/08
CC503, 1.6 NSA Pro Mag Roller rockers, PAC 1518 springs, 10* retainers/locks, Trickflow guideplates, 7.2" Comp hardened pushrods, stock heads, stock exhaust manifolds, catback exhaust, K&N CAI, FMS 30# Injectors.
Warmed up:8.882@83.770mph
No full cool down run.
2/19/11
Added Kooks Long tube headers(1 3/4" x 3") and dual cat y-pipe.
Warmed up:8.437@87.88mph
Partial cool down:8.389@88.354mph
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very good times for a cam only
.1 decrease in your 60' time=.2 at the big end so if you get a tire (MT ET Street 26 x 10 on a 15" rim) and a higher stall TC you will likely pick up at least .3 on the 60' getting you into the 12's (12.7)
Head work, 1:6 RR, headers, etc, etc will all improve beyond the tires and stall......until you hit a track with 5,000' DA and you struggle to stay in low 13's :-(
very good times for a cam only
.1 decrease in your 60' time=.2 at the big end so if you get a tire (MT ET Street 26 x 10 on a 15" rim) and a higher stall TC you will likely pick up at least .3 on the 60' getting you into the 12's (12.7)
Head work, 1:6 RR, headers, etc, etc will all improve beyond the tires and stall......until you hit a track with 5,000' DA and you struggle to stay in low 13's :-(
Def a high 12 car right now with M/T e.t street and a lower 60ft time along with a stall converter. Roller rockers would prob only gain you a tenth.
Going to be running my car in the next few months with M/T drag radials, mac mid headers, 215/224 cam, 1.6 roller rockers, ewp, and stock heads and to be honest if i get a 13.3 i would be happy. Mines a manual car though. I'm coming from a 14.2 stock.
Going to be running my car in the next few months with M/T drag radials, mac mid headers, 215/224 cam, 1.6 roller rockers, ewp, and stock heads and to be honest if i get a 13.3 i would be happy. Mines a manual car though. I'm coming from a 14.2 stock.
Def a high 12 car right now with M/T e.t street and a lower 60ft time along with a stall converter. Roller rockers would prob only gain you a tenth.
Going to be running my car in the next few months with M/T drag radials, mac mid headers, 215/224 cam, 1.6 roller rockers, ewp, and stock heads and to be honest if i get a 13.3 i would be happy. Mines a manual car though. I'm coming from a 14.2 stock.
Going to be running my car in the next few months with M/T drag radials, mac mid headers, 215/224 cam, 1.6 roller rockers, ewp, and stock heads and to be honest if i get a 13.3 i would be happy. Mines a manual car though. I'm coming from a 14.2 stock.
Mad Z tune
Ls1 lid (SLP)
Pacesetter longtubes
2.5" X pipe, 10 series flowmasters
1.6 rockers
Competition clutch stage 2
4.10 gears
BFG 315 dragradials
12.98 @ 106
On a single shark nozzle set on 150 not spraying in 4th gear at all I ran 11.33 @ 119 best MPH was 121
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A good 60' example, our cars run the same speed at the 1/8 and the at the end. They both trap 104 mph and both have the 1/8 at 83-84 mph. My 1.74 60' puts me through the 1/8 in 8.1 vs your 8.7 and through the 1/4 in 12.82 vs your 13.3 et.
60' vs 1320'? Op
very good times for a cam only
.1 decrease in your 60' time=.2 at the big end so if you get a tire (MT ET Street 26 x 10 on a 15" rim) and a higher stall TC you will likely pick up at least .3 on the 60' getting you into the 12's (12.7)
Head work, 1:6 RR, headers, etc, etc will all improve beyond the tires and stall......until you hit a track with 5,000' DA and you struggle to stay in low 13's :-(
very good times for a cam only
.1 decrease in your 60' time=.2 at the big end so if you get a tire (MT ET Street 26 x 10 on a 15" rim) and a higher stall TC you will likely pick up at least .3 on the 60' getting you into the 12's (12.7)
Head work, 1:6 RR, headers, etc, etc will all improve beyond the tires and stall......until you hit a track with 5,000' DA and you struggle to stay in low 13's :-(
What could be wrong with a car to see double at the finish line?
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Well Ed I may be guilty of passing on drag lore. Another one is "every 100 lb decrease in car weight =.1xx gain at the big end".Again more drag lore so not sure how accurate but I can certainly see any weight reduction should = more top end with all other factors =. You certainly have more 1/4 mi time than I do.
I keep a spreadsheet on the few hundred passes I have made in my car. I see the "majority" of +.1 60' gain does =.1xx at the top end. I see in some cases I picked up .2xx and more but generally it = slightly more than the 60' time gain . These are all passes same day and generally within 5-10 degrees of air temp.
Beyond the time slip info I note date, air temp, RPM launch, lane, tire pressure and general notes like headwind, etc. Headwind at Fontana can be brutal some times of the year
Obviously several factors play in any +/- gain or loss
I keep a spreadsheet on the few hundred passes I have made in my car. I see the "majority" of +.1 60' gain does =.1xx at the top end. I see in some cases I picked up .2xx and more but generally it = slightly more than the 60' time gain . These are all passes same day and generally within 5-10 degrees of air temp.
Beyond the time slip info I note date, air temp, RPM launch, lane, tire pressure and general notes like headwind, etc. Headwind at Fontana can be brutal some times of the year
Obviously several factors play in any +/- gain or loss