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Is there a definite answer to the “Optispark orientation” debate?

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Old Dec 15, 2019 | 09:00 AM
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Default Is there a definite answer to the “Optispark orientation” debate?

I’m installing a new timing set at the same time installing a new opti in my ‘92 LT1. After identifying the contacts inside an old dist cap (and verifying that firing order is like all sbc’s) the keyed spline-drive is at 6:00 when the timing sprockets are dot-to-dot. I don’t have the opti out of the car yet, so going from memory, I believe the spline-drive is oriented the same on both sides. That puts the rotor at/or near #6 cylinder contact.
I know it can only be installed in one position, and yes, it should never be forced, and must mount flush to the front cover. Those issues are a given.
Has anybody done the research and solved this orientation question?
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Old Dec 15, 2019 | 11:30 AM
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You merely install the opti with the "key" in the correct slot/position. There is no real debate or question about that. You sound like you already have all the correct info.
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Old Dec 15, 2019 | 01:07 PM
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Yup, when it comes to timing there always has to be a definitive. Always starts with #1@TDC
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 07:49 AM
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Just a bump for the Monday morning quarterbacks
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Eddie Salinas
Just a bump for the Monday morning quarterbacks
You have your answer. There is no debate or question as to the orientation of the opti.
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Eddie Salinas
I know it can only be installed in one position, and yes, it should never be forced, and must mount flush to the front cover. Those issues are a given.
Then what's your question? What "mystery?" When lined up dot-to-dot the #6 cylinder is at TDC. When both cam and crank gear are at 12 then #1 is at TDC.
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 10:23 AM
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From my perspective, not being an experienced engine builder, what I’ve been reading is the “solution”. Just install it correctly and it will be fine. Am I the only person that wonders how can the distributor function correctly when it doesn’t start with the rotor at #1 tdc? I did read somewhere that both #1and #6 are at tdc at the same time. That may be what I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around. So please forgive my ignorance, and I appreciate the input
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
..... When both cam and crank gear are at 12 then #1 is at TDC.
I must be completely off base!
I thought #1 tdc was when the crank sprocket is at 12:00, and the cam sprocket is at 6:00 (or dot-to-dot)
I couldn’t make out your attachment, it was too blurry to read
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Originally Posted by Eddie Salinas
I must be completely off base!
I thought #1 tdc was when the crank sprocket is at 12:00, and the cam sprocket is at 6:00 (or dot-to-dot)
I couldn’t make out your attachment, it was too blurry to read
Copy the link and try it in a new browser window.
Just a Monday morning QB doing work...
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
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Just a Monday morning QB doing work...
I apologize for the QB comment. That was insensitive of me to say!
But I’m getting a lot of push-back on where #1tdc is in relation to the cam sprocket dot. Is the corvette lt1 different than all other 350 sbc’s?
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 12:46 PM
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1 and 6 are at TDC at the same time, just at different points in the 4-stroke cycle. 12 and 6 or 12 and 12 will both work. I think I did mine at 12 and 12
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Then what's your question? What "mystery?" When lined up dot-to-dot the #6 cylinder is at TDC. When both cam and crank gear are at 12 then #1 is at TDC.
Shouldnt the Opti key be at 3 o'clock? Not 9?
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Eddie Salinas
I apologize for the QB comment. That was insensitive of me to say!
But I’m getting a lot of push-back on where #1tdc is in relation to the cam sprocket dot. Is the corvette lt1 different than all other 350 sbc’s?
LT1 timing set is different than rest of SBCs. Because of the"precise requirement" of the opti needing to be keyed and locked in with cam and crank, they added a bit of precautions.

#1 at TDC, crank sprocket dot is 12 o'clock, cam is 6 o'clock, opti is 3 o'clock. I literally just got done doing it, and this is according to Alldata or whatever my buddy's shop uses, and also correlates with everything online. LT1/LT4 are identical, Camaro, Firebirds, Corvette, brougham, caprice, doesnt matter, all the same. But they are different than SBCs only in everything is keyed so theres really no room for error unless youre using sledge hammers to seat ****.

On the opti, i dont dont why they have the other 2 notches that are similar to the key. This is where people **** up, but youve stated everything right in OP.

So, stop being worried and get in there and bust some knuckles. Run into issues, come back.
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by demonsmokr
On the opti, i dont dont why they have the other 2 notches that are similar to the key. This is where people **** up, but youve stated everything right in OP.

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OP has a 92 LT1 which uses the "spline" opti...which does have a small keyway on the spline so it can only go on one way. Unlike the later year gen 2 LT1 with the pin drive in the one slot of the vented opti
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Originally Posted by Eddie Salinas
I apologize for the QB comment. That was insensitive of me to say!
But I’m getting a lot of push-back on where #1tdc is in relation to the cam sprocket dot. Is the corvette lt1 different than all other 350 sbc’s?
LT1 is a GenII one-piece RMS SBC. Nothing different other than reverse cooling.
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Originally Posted by demonsmokr
Shouldnt the Opti key be at 3 o'clock? Not 9?
For which optispark? Why should it matter since for both styles it goes on one way?
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ******
OP has a 92 LT1 which uses the "spline" opti...which does have a small keyway on the spline so it can only go on one way. Unlike the later year gen 2 LT1 with the pin drive in the one slot of the vented opti
Did not know they were different like that. Ill shut my mouth for now. I learned something new today, awesome. Its early, can relax into stupidity for rest of the day.
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 02:24 PM
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You don't have to know anything about #1, #6, dot up or down or anything else as long as the key from the opti is put in the timing gear slot (which can be in any position you want). No mystery. No debate.
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
LT1 is a GenII one-piece RMS SBC. Nothing different other than reverse cooling.
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For which optispark? Why should it matter since for both styles it goes on one way?
LT1 with the keyed opti, not spline opti. When putting everything at TDC without timing set on, opti key/pin should be at 3 o'clock? Not really talking about opti itself, but rather making sure cam is TDC in relation to crank.
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Old Dec 16, 2019 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by demonsmokr
LT1 with the keyed opti, not spline opti. When putting everything at TDC without timing set on, opti key/pin should be at 3 o'clock? Not really talking about opti itself, but rather making sure cam is TDC in relation to crank.
The dowel slot on the opti goes over and onto the cam dowel pin. Assuming your timing gears are already in proper time, the pin can be anywhere in the rotation. It does not have to be at a specific cylinder, it's just that people like doing it that way.

If you have any doubt about where the pin and dots are as they rotate, look at the link:
http://shbox.com/1/cam_timing_ani.gif
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You just have to struggle bus trial and error until it slips in the hole. The key is a huge PITA to line up, it could take hours it could take minutes. You just have to line it up, there’s no “wrong” way unless you don’t get it in the hole. I had a buddy somehow manage to jam his in without being in the slot and it wouldn’t run, but it should slide easily. If you force it in, it won’t be in right.
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