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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LTx383
They told me comp cam does their grinds plus it's on the link saying made by comp
Ah ok cool. I'd still run with confidence.
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 08:17 PM
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What's the max RPM you'd spin to? That Tick cam will probably need to be shifted at 6.7k or so.

And are street manners important to you? The cam has a good bit of overlap being in the 23x range with a tighter LSA, you're going to get a healthy dose of surge. Looks like the gear ratios of the C4 ZF6 trans and the T56 are pretty much the same, so I'd highly suggest 4.10's to make driving easier while being livable on the highway. You're going to have to slip the clutch way more with stock gearing.
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Old Feb 22, 2021 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Catmaigne
What's the max RPM you'd spin to? That Tick cam will probably need to be shifted at 6.7k or so.

And are street manners important to you? The cam has a good bit of overlap being in the 23x range with a tighter LSA, you're going to get a healthy dose of surge. Looks like the gear ratios of the C4 ZF6 trans and the T56 are pretty much the same, so I'd highly suggest 4.10's to make driving easier while being livable on the highway. You're going to have to slip the clutch way more with stock gearing.
Setting redline to 6800. I am regearing been looking at 4.11 and 3.7x?.....
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 09:48 AM
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before you decide on a gear you should put it on the dyno to see where your power peak is after everything is installed.
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
before you decide on a gear you should put it on the dyno to see where your power peak is after everything is installed.
🤣🤣🤣 Closest dyno is 5 hrs away. Trying to do a 1 and done run
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 10:28 AM
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Road trip! Make a weekend out of it. I drove about that distance/time each way to get a dyno tune from Ed Wright/Fastchip way back when.
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 10:30 AM
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Road trip! Make a weekend out of it. I drove about that distance/time each way to get a dyno tune from Ed Wright/Fastchip way back when.
Oh yea. Just trying to do it once. I have to buy the tuning software for him and total without travel time and cost is gonna cost me 2k. Most expensive tune I've ever paid for. So don't wanna do twice lol
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 03:04 PM
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2k puts you dangerously close to buying a 24x/holley termyX setup and remote tuning it
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shownomercy
2k puts you dangerously close to buying a 24x/holley termyX setup and remote tuning it
Yea but then I still need to get on a Dyno 🤷‍♂️
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Old Feb 23, 2021 | 04:30 PM
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Are you opposed to a mail order? Or better yet, if you're not emissions limited you can do an OBD1 conversion + mail order and tweak the spark/fuel yourself on the dyno with a ALDL cable and some freeware. WOT tuning is pretty straight forward.

$75 for a f/b-body pcm (I think it can be done, but look into bcm/security system details)
$60 for an aldl cable, borrow old laptop
$? knock sensors
$150 for a tune
+ whatever dyno time costs
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Old Feb 24, 2021 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Catmaigne
Are you opposed to a mail order? Or better yet, if you're not emissions limited you can do an OBD1 conversion + mail order and tweak the spark/fuel yourself on the dyno with a ALDL cable and some freeware. WOT tuning is pretty straight forward.

$75 for a f/b-body pcm (I think it can be done, but look into bcm/security system details)
$60 for an aldl cable, borrow old laptop
$? knock sensors
$150 for a tune
+ whatever dyno time costs
The major cost is dyno time
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Old Feb 24, 2021 | 05:09 PM
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I am paying 300 for two hours on a dyno, not terrible.
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Old Feb 24, 2021 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Shownomercy
I am paying 300 for two hours on a dyno, not terrible.
Not at all I'm spending $1000 tho for half a day
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Old Feb 24, 2021 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LTx383
Tick, my engine builder and tuner thought that was to much cam 🤷‍♂️
241/245 | .571”/.577” | LSA111+4 (.609"/.615" lift with 1.6 rockers)...too much????

I have run everything from 222/228 up to 264/272 in various LT1 stroker combos....has to be something in your personal goals/wants that is leading them to say that

my last street car grind was a 242/252 .610/.620 110lsa...mild street manners and ran 10s NA

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Old Feb 24, 2021 | 11:20 PM
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Dyno time is about $100/hr around here, I'm guessing your tuner's fee is included in the rental time.

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my last street car grind was a 242/252 .610/.620 110lsa...mild street manners and ran 10s NA
Was that in a stick car? A cam with a bunch of overlap is going to drive like crap if you have a grippy clutch and live in an area with lots of hills. Gears make it more manageable, but it still sucks.
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Old Feb 25, 2021 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Catmaigne
Was that in a stick car? A cam with a bunch of overlap is going to drive like crap if you have a grippy clutch and live in an area with lots of hills. Gears make it more manageable, but it still sucks.
OP is building a stroker. That cam profile would be just fine with the right gearing.
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Old Feb 25, 2021 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Catmaigne
Dyno time is about $100/hr around here, I'm guessing your tuner's fee is included in the rental time.



Was that in a stick car? A cam with a bunch of overlap is going to drive like crap if you have a grippy clutch and live in an area with lots of hills. Gears make it more manageable, but it still sucks.
that one was an auto....I did run a 242/248 .613/.590 in a t56/4.10 daily driver
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Old Feb 25, 2021 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
OP is building a stroker. That cam profile would be just fine with the right gearing.
I know, I've got Lloyd's 226/239 on a 114lsa in my 383 and it can be unpleasant at times with just a hair more overlap than a cc503. That Tick cam has +10.5 degrees of overlap over mine, more than a GM847 or cc306. Depends where you live I guess, my area is fairly congested and the terrain is pretty rugged. Something like stop and go traffic on a hill really sucks unless you have enough dough for a street twin (allegedly).
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Old Feb 25, 2021 | 03:10 PM
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You sure it isn't tuning related? What does your torque curve look like?
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Old Feb 25, 2021 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Catmaigne
Dyno time is about $100/hr around here, I'm guessing your tuner's fee is included in the rental time.



Was that in a stick car? A cam with a bunch of overlap is going to drive like crap if you have a grippy clutch and live in an area with lots of hills. Gears make it more manageable, but it still sucks.
Tune is cheap. But being the only tuner for 10hrs he gets to gouge
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