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Old Aug 13, 2022 | 12:17 PM
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So I'm about to install some 1.6 comp cam magnum pro roller rockers. Self align.
And currently running some 1.52 roller rocker that I installed a while back, when I did my cam swap.

My question is what will be the difference between the 1.52 & 1.6?

Whats the hp gains & will the exhaust tone change?

​​​​​​I have supporting mods already like intake, headers, valvetrain Mods, tune, cam etc

The cam im running is a 502 comp cam 218/224 durations with. 495/503 lift and 112 ls



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Old Aug 13, 2022 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LT1DG
So I'm about to install some 1.6 comp cam magnum pro roller rockers.
And currently running some 1.52 roller rocker that I installed a while back, when I did my cam swap.

My question is what will be the difference between the 1.52 & 1.6?

Whats the hp gains & will the exhaust tone change?

​​​​​​I have supporting mods already like intake, headers, valvetrain. Mods, tune, cam etc

The cam im running is a 502 comp cam 218/224 durations with. 495/503 lift and 112 ls



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Your lift will increase by roughly .030. The valves will be open slightly longer. A couple of other minor benefits too. Not sure how much hp you will gain, but the came seems alright with stock heads. 223cfm from (.500)-(.600) lift.
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Old Aug 14, 2022 | 12:10 AM
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Your lift will increase by roughly .030. The valves will be open slightly longer. A couple of other minor benefits too. Not sure how much hp you will gain, but the came seems alright with stock heads. 223cfm from (.500)-(.600) lift.
Some has said that there exhaust tone slightly changed when they upgraded to 1.6, why is that?
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Originally Posted by LT1DG
Some has said that there exhaust tone slightly changed when they upgraded to 1.6, why is that?
Because the rocker arm mechanically multiplies a can lobe’s lift. Going from 1.5 to 1.6 means more lift; higher ratio.
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Old Aug 15, 2022 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LT1DG
Some has said that there exhaust tone slightly changed when they upgraded to 1.6, why is that?
Because you are making the whole love of the cam larger. It bleeds off the exhaust pressure earlier when it still has more exhaust energy. On my 383 with a Comp custom grind that had too much exhaust duration (Comp told my my intended grind was way wrong and pressured me to a dual pattern grind with a 10° split and a wider LSA when I knew I wanted and needed a single pattern on a tighter LSA), I just went from a 1.7 exhaust rocker to a 1.5 exhaust rocker and gained a good bit of low-speed torque without killing any power up top.


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Because you are making the whole love of the cam larger. It bleeds off the exhaust pressure earlier when it still has more exhaust energy. On my 383 with a Comp custom grind that had too much exhaust duration (Comp told my my intended grind was way wrong and pressured me to a dual pattern grind with a 10° split and a wider LSA when I knew I wanted and needed a single pattern on a tighter LSA), I just went from a 1.7 exhaust rocker to a 1.5 exhaust rocker and gained a good bit of low-speed torque without killing any power up top.
So the higher ratio, pretty much add more lift to the cam. Making the cam more aggressive.

What are the other benefits fron this mod? Heat, I assume temp will be kinda cooler.

Originally Posted by Money_Pit
Because the rocker arm mechanically multiplies a can lobe’s lift. Going from 1.5 to 1.6 means more lift; higher ratio.
So if I had 1.7 roller rockers install on a stock cam, it will give off a choppy exhaust tone?

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I'm pretty sure just roller rockers will not give you any chop to the idle if you don't already have it. You have to change the cam for that. For hp numbers, you might pick up around 10-15hp depending on the mods.
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I'm pretty sure just roller rockers will not give you any chop to the idle if you don't already have it. You have to change the cam for that. For hp numbers, you might pick up around 10-15hp depending on the mods.
The 502 cam is not that choppy. But then again, I am running fairly stock ratio rockers. 1.52 are barely nothing compare to the stock 1.5

Maybe on a stock cam, it will be a little bit noticeable.

Will the motor be noisy with the 1.6?
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I have the NSA 1.6 pro mags with my CC503. They sound like a bunch of sewing machines when the hood is lifted. I'm not sure how the self-aligning ones will sound. You can hear what my Z28 sounds like here.....
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Originally Posted by LT1DG
Whats the hp gains & will the exhaust tone change?​​​
People used to put these in their stock setups and would consistently run a couple tenths better than before. It's definitely worth it.
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Old Aug 17, 2022 | 12:23 PM
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I have the NSA 1.6 pro mags with my CC503. They sound like a bunch of sewing machines when the hood is lifted. I'm not sure how the self-aligning ones will sound. You can hear what my Z28 sounds like here.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K5G2VkoiCs
Cleanest LT1 engine bay I ever seen & sound good. The sewing sound, sound similar to the 1.52 I running, maybe cause they are the same brand?
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Old Aug 17, 2022 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
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I'd be afraid to work in that engine bay. Clean!


People used to put these in their stock setups and would consistently run a couple tenths better than before. It's definitely worth it.

​​​​​I should of done this long time ago when I cam swap it. I don't know why I got the 1.52 lol. What was I thinking.

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Old Aug 17, 2022 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ACE1252
I have the NSA 1.6 pro mags with my CC503. They sound like a bunch of sewing machines when the hood is lifted. I'm not sure how the self-aligning ones will sound. You can hear what my Z28 sounds like here.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K5G2VkoiCs
I have a similar sound with my Scorpion non self aligning 1.7s and now 1.7 Intake/1.5 Exhaust combination. I have a comp 218/228 @ 0.050 on a 108 LSA cam and Rhoads V-Max lifters. I think some of the noise is the hardened pushrods banging around on the hardened guide plates.

First startup, open header and still had tuning to do.

Running 3" open cutouts.

With the cutouts closed and the exhaust routed into the quiet walker ultraquiet muffler the sewing machine noise is much more noticeable. With the insulated engine cover in place you do not hear it inside. Unlike my cammed 5.7L Hemi that you could hear the valvetrain at 60 mph inside the truck.


The 218/228 cam with Rhoads V-Max lifters is barely noticeable with a quiet muffler in an 11:1 383.

I need to open up the base air rate screw on the BBK throttle body and possibly port the IAC passageways on it. The most noticeable thing is the IAC hiss especially with the ac on. Its at 60-65 iac counts at warm idle with no load on the engine. It gets amplified by the 4" air intake and custom K&N setup. When the iac opens for throttle follower function you can hear the hiss even driving down the road. When I had the IAC wide open at 310 counts doing this ac performance test at 1,150 rpm, the iac was loud.


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I'd be afraid to work in that engine bay. Clean!
The dirt is hiding in the engine!
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Old Aug 23, 2022 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Fast355
I have a similar sound with my Scorpion non self aligning 1.7s and now 1.7 Intake/1.5 Exhaust combination. I have a comp 218/228 @ 0.050 on a 108 LSA cam and Rhoads V-Max lifters. I think some of the noise is the hardened pushrods banging around on the hardened guide plates.

First startup, open header and still had tuning to do.
https://youtu.be/FzEDpuSIwJc

Running 3" open cutouts.
https://youtu.be/1xXFPoS3Y2Y

With the cutouts closed and the exhaust routed into the quiet walker ultraquiet muffler the sewing machine noise is much more noticeable. With the insulated engine cover in place you do not hear it inside. Unlike my cammed 5.7L Hemi that you could hear the valvetrain at 60 mph inside the truck.

https://youtu.be/zJBiw3xkiYY

The 218/228 cam with Rhoads V-Max lifters is barely noticeable with a quiet muffler in an 11:1 383.
https://youtube.com/shorts/T29nCd8sifQ?feature=share

I need to open up the base air rate screw on the BBK throttle body and possibly port the IAC passageways on it. The most noticeable thing is the IAC hiss especially with the ac on. Its at 60-65 iac counts at warm idle with no load on the engine. It gets amplified by the 4" air intake and custom K&N setup. When the iac opens for throttle follower function you can hear the hiss even driving down the road. When I had the IAC wide open at 310 counts doing this ac performance test at 1,150 rpm, the iac was loud.

https://youtube.com/shorts/4Ok9s8cMM2Y?feature=share
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I can kinda hear my iac at idle. That thing sounds good btw
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the dirt is hiding in the engine!
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What about engine temps? I heard when upgrading to a higher rocker arm ratio, temps sometimes get cooler since there no valvetrain friction. Is that true?
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Originally Posted by LT1DG
What about engine temps? I heard when upgrading to a higher rocker arm ratio, temps sometimes get cooler since there no valvetrain friction. Is that true?
Never heard of that or experienced it.
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Originally Posted by LT1DG
What about engine temps? I heard when upgrading to a higher rocker arm ratio, temps sometimes get cooler since there no valvetrain friction. Is that true?
You are removing 5+ hp of friction from the stock rockers. The heat produced by the stock rockers dissapates into the oil system. I did not notice a temperature difference because I have an engine oil cooler in the radiator and a large radiator with a mechanical fan. My engine naturally runs cool. It had been idling with the AC on in 102°F temps for over an hour in when I took that picture.




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Never heard of that or experienced it.
Does gas mileage get alittle better?
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