LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

bang for the buck lt1

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-13-2004, 02:55 PM
  #1  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
heinz57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question bang for the buck lt1

New to this board but there looks to be alot of lt1 and lt4 literate people. I am getting ready to stroke (383) my 94 lt1. considering new heads, cam and possible lt4 manifold. Heads i am looking at the lt4 afr 195cc P#1031 heads. wondering if this combo is much better than the 180cc afr heads for the lt1 or not. This is going into a rock buggy with which we go to the sand dunes where i run some nitrous. Any help? Need some cam advice. Going to keep the compression at stock.
Old 08-13-2004, 10:38 PM
  #2  
TECH Senior Member
 
Vendetta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NYC metro area
Posts: 9,339
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

AFR 195s will flow a lot more than 180s.
Old 08-16-2004, 12:37 PM
  #3  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
heinz57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by enisguy
AFR 195s will flow a lot more than 180s.
Thank you, I am leaning that way. I am still researching the cam of choice. This in a non-emissioned rig. With the mix of Rock crawling and Sand dunes just trying to get as much cam without loosing the low rpm reliability. Any suggestions?
Old 08-16-2004, 01:41 PM
  #4  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
DietCoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Richmond Hill, GA
Posts: 3,869
Received 55 Likes on 48 Posts

Default

A hotcam or cc305
Old 08-17-2004, 03:58 PM
  #5  
On The Tree
 
5432LT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

what about the gm 847 grind?


ive heard some amazing things about it..i dont know if its what youre looking for though.
Old 08-18-2004, 10:29 AM
  #6  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
heinz57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 5432LT1
what about the gm 847 grind?


ive heard some amazing things about it..i dont know if its what youre looking for though.
I will certainly look into it. thanks for the info.
Old 08-21-2004, 09:38 PM
  #7  
8 Second Club
iTrader: (76)
 
SSPerformance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Goshen NY
Posts: 2,902
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

u wana make shure the heads arent to big and match what your doing with the car
Old 08-21-2004, 10:14 PM
  #8  
12 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
METALBEAST's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Cleveland, Georgia
Posts: 3,027
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I think an LT4 Hot Cam or a CC305 are going to be too mild for a 383. I would recommend a CC306.
Old 08-22-2004, 12:22 AM
  #9  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (37)
 
Mikey 97Z M6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 2,046
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

-Is this an auto or stick?

-How often are you actually going to be using the spray? How big of a shot?

-How much hp are looking to achieve?

-Staying with fuel injection or going with carb?

Depending on these answers, you may consider just porting the stock LT1 heads. Well ported LT1's should easily obtain 480fwhp NA on a 383-396 combo with the right cam. Since you want to retain some rock crawling ability, I'd veer away from the large runners of the AFR heads IMHO.

Mike
Old 08-23-2004, 06:57 PM
  #10  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
heinz57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mikey 97Z M6
-Is this an auto or stick?

-How often are you actually going to be using the spray? How big of a shot?

-How much hp are looking to achieve?

-Staying with fuel injection or going with carb?

Depending on these answers, you may consider just porting the stock LT1 heads. Well ported LT1's should easily obtain 480fwhp NA on a 383-396 combo with the right cam. Since you want to retain some rock crawling ability, I'd veer away from the large runners of the AFR heads IMHO.

Mike
I have been using a 150 shot on the current motor. We hit the sand dunes about 4 to 5 times a year. I burn about a 10lb per day. We do the cinders about 2 time a year, same usage on the nos. I am running a th400 and I am staying with fuel injection. I do run 5.38 gears.

I certainly appreciate your help. My biggest concern is using the fuel injection. I plan on increasing the TB and Injectors and computor work. Any suggestions are most welcome.
Old 08-23-2004, 08:35 PM
  #11  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (37)
 
Mikey 97Z M6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 2,046
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by heinz57
I have been using a 150 shot on the current motor. We hit the sand dunes about 4 to 5 times a year. I burn about a 10lb per day. We do the cinders about 2 time a year, same usage on the nos.
You might benefit from a nitrous grind cam then. The larger lsa will make it more drivable in slower, rock crawling situations too. The cam I'm running would easily hit 400rwhp and 390rwtq or so on a stroked LT1. It's a comp cams extreme energy 224/236. The original design was a nitrous grind with a 114lsa but I had mine ground on a smaller lsa <112>. I think this cam would be perfect for your application in it's original configuration. It has a little lope on my stock block, but on a 383 or 396 it wouldn't be bad at all.

Originally Posted by heinz57
I certainly appreciate your help. My biggest concern is using the fuel injection. I plan on increasing the TB and Injectors and computor work. Any suggestions are most welcome.
Truthfully, I wouldn't even worry about a larger tb unless you're after every last hp you can find. I ran the numbers in my sig with a stone stock, unported tb. Many will argue it's not even needed until you start getting real close to the 400rwhp mark and even then, it's only around 5hp. Hardly worth the 300.00+ bones IMHO.

Judging from the 5.38 gears, I'm guessing you have real large tires, 33"+?

Mike
Old 08-24-2004, 10:40 AM
  #12  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
heinz57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mikey 97Z M6
You might benefit from a nitrous grind cam then. The larger lsa will make it more drivable in slower, rock crawling situations too. The cam I'm running would easily hit 400rwhp and 390rwtq or so on a stroked LT1. It's a comp cams extreme energy 224/236. The original design was a nitrous grind with a 114lsa but I had mine ground on a smaller lsa <112>. I think this cam would be perfect for your application in it's original configuration. It has a little lope on my stock block, but on a 383 or 396 it wouldn't be bad at all.




Truthfully, I wouldn't even worry about a larger tb unless you're after every last hp you can find. I ran the numbers in my sig with a stone stock, unported tb. Many will argue it's not even needed until you start getting real close to the 400rwhp mark and even then, it's only around 5hp. Hardly worth the 300.00+ bones IMHO.

Judging from the 5.38 gears, I'm guessing you have real large tires, 33"+?

Mike
Thanks for the tip on the tb. Can I go wilder than the 224/236 with the fuel injection and still have a decent idle. The guy putting the motor together says if the cam won't make it thru emissions then it won't idle, is this the case? HELP
Old 08-25-2004, 12:46 PM
  #13  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (21)
 
regorih383's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Pasadena Tx,
Posts: 1,702
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts


Default yayhyayay

the hell with the hotcan,cc306,and the cc305... go with a custom girnd like me

FMS coustom grind .585intake .595ex, 235,242, 112+4
Old 08-25-2004, 03:58 PM
  #14  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
heinz57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by regorih
the hell with the hotcan,cc306,and the cc305... go with a custom girnd like me

FMS coustom grind .585intake .595ex, 235,242, 112+4
Ok, this is alot closer to what I was told to get. Are you still running fuel injection. If you are then I could with a little more info push the go button on the heads and cam. Another question is will this idle just ok. These were very close to the specs athough he was talking a little more lift and lsa of 110. I appreciate the assistance.
Old 08-26-2004, 11:43 AM
  #15  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (21)
 
regorih383's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Pasadena Tx,
Posts: 1,702
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts


Default

im using 30 SVO injectors
Old 08-26-2004, 11:45 AM
  #16  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (21)
 
regorih383's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Pasadena Tx,
Posts: 1,702
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts


Default

my heads are LT4 and they cam for the the Head god "Flow" in the head division in Heaven :
Old 08-26-2004, 02:21 PM
  #17  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (37)
 
Mikey 97Z M6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 2,046
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by heinz57
Thanks for the tip on the tb. Can I go wilder than the 224/236 with the fuel injection and still have a decent idle. The guy putting the motor together says if the cam won't make it thru emissions then it won't idle, is this the case? HELP
You can go as big as you'd like to go with the cam. If you want to retain good low speed rock crawling capabilities you'll want to stay a bit on the smallish side. You can always add more nitrous, but it gets more difficult when you put too large of a cam in there to begin with. It's all in what you can live with though.

Good luck.

Mike
Old 08-26-2004, 02:40 PM
  #18  
Teching In
Thread Starter
 
heinz57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mikey 97Z M6
You can go as big as you'd like to go with the cam. If you want to retain good low speed rock crawling capabilities you'll want to stay a bit on the smallish side. You can always add more nitrous, but it gets more difficult when you put too large of a cam in there to begin with. It's all in what you can live with though.

Good luck.

Mike
Thanks again, I am going to downsize a hair and like you suggested go with a tad more nitrous. If someday I feel lucky and win more casino money I can try my luck with more cam.



Quick Reply: bang for the buck lt1



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:25 AM.