Yet another Vote for pcmforless. Alvin did my tuning when I had my 92 Corvette and it still runs like a champ. I believe Bryan does all of the 94+ tuning.

 

Well i need to get me a tune, cuz this dam hypertech chip blows *****!!! Ed, im headin to your site right now man. Lets see whatya got.

 

Wow Ed, i have back to back Dynos showing 20rwhp difference when I went with PCMforless on a 396 LT1 hot cam tune that you did. Yes you tune VERY well, but so does your competetion. Dont you have amoney back gurantee if someone elses tune beats yours?

 

When was this? What kind of vehicle are we talking about? OBD1 or OBD2 PCM? No, I don't refund money if somebody makes more than a mail order tune. Too many variables I can't see from "here".

Ed

 

Corvette LT1 396 1993. All I did was fill out your form, just like Alvins at PCMforless. Same dyno etc.
On your website, front page it says "We guarantee no chip will outperform ours""Lifetime warranty to the original buyer"
http://www.fastchip.com/
HHMMM, sounds like a money back gurantee to me, or am I misreading "gurantee no chip will outperform ours"
I think all tuners can out do one other if givent the chance. Ed , you are good, but dont think you cant be outperformed. I remember working with the late Jim Formato, and he ,IMHO, was the best, but he never was all about being better than everyone else, nor does PCMforless. What do you have against them?

 

Ed, I am sure if I had so many going to you to "fix" it would be posted on every board all over the place and I would be getting calls for refunds, but neither of those is happening. All of us, no matter how good run into cars with something off the wall that will make them run off occasionally (things like ported MAF's, dirty MAF's, Vacuum leaks, broken coolant temp sensors, used injectors that aren't what they are supposed to be, bad O2 sensor, or melted wiring to the O2's, etc...) that a customer may think it is a tuning issue but it isn't.
I can only think of one so far this year where a customer asked me for a refund on one that did not work out (not even an LS1 or LT1 car) that you were able to help him out on the dyno. I would love to know what was fluky about that one, but I know if I call you to talk shop you would just hang up on my as you seem to blame me for everything. You were also pissed when I was in Tulsa doing dyno tuning at the Impala convention and was beating your dyno tunes that you did the previous day when I had the cars on another dyno the next day. And, yes, we did baseline runs with your tunes first, so none of it was a dyno difference. I hear the trash talking you did from some of the Impala guys that went to your open house. Funny, I NEVER talk crap about you, I think you do a good job as does Ion. There are some tuners out there that I think do crappy jobs, but you are not one of them. Your biggest problem is your EGO, poor attitude (yes, I have stressful days and have been short a few times, but it seems to be the biggest complaint I hear about you from your customers), and your pricing. Heck, I even send people your way for tuning on vehicles I do not offer programming for. I can off the top of my head name 4 shops/companies that have switched from you to us for tuning and I am sure there are more.
My UPS and Fedex guys come once a day, they sure must do things differently down there in OK.
I know the volume I do each day and between email, phone calls (customers get to talk to me when they call) and programming almost every day is 12 hours. So, you are either doing the same volume or less, or you really cut some corners, or this is why you are always so nasty on the phone as you must not get any sleep.
All who know me know that I don't carry a big EGO and never proclaim to be the best, BUT I do believe I am right there in the group that I consider the best. Any time you would like to go heads up on a tuning shootout let me know. I'm sure we can all come up with some sort of controlled environment for such a test. This type of "shootout" was offered a few years back on some of the Impala forums and you declined.
Funny how I don't see guys stepping up to bat for you... You seem all alone on your opinions. I accidentally replied earlier as 70 Rally Sport as I didn't realize someone else logged into that machine since I had.
How many 9 or 10 second mail order cars I have done, probably not many, but on a setup that would take a car that fast I would always recommend a dyno tune, or do a mail order and then send me data and dyno air/fuel data for fine tuning.
Maybe it is time for you just to retire and take that job as the WalMart door greeter, maybe your disposition will improve.

 

Ed if yo uget a job at walmart will you greet me with a sticker?

 

 

Evidently the warrenty or guarantee is just for show only.. Or maybe it applies to other guys mail order tunes vs. his in house dyno tunes.

If Mr. Wright has the nerve to come on a public forum and bash his competition than what does that say about his ethics or personallity? I'll tell you one thing.. If Ed is a little bit better or a little bit worse I don't care.. what I care about is service after the sale.. and thats something Ed definately lacks.

 

Bryan, I wasn't pissed in Tulsa, I never saw you and didn't hear about you beating anything. Didn't like finding that much of my work in your customer's cars. Did have a couple of guys run new personal bests at the track that Friday evening, even in 100+ degree heat. What I usually see of your stuff is too lean. Everything I re-did then was too lean. Kinda like that F body in GM High Tech. <G> The power looks good on the dyno (if you don't know what you are looking at), but isn't safe or as fast on the track. Back around then you also kept re-selling the "Rev B" Impala cal for 1995 Impalas I had put together for a car at Joe Prince's (for Accorcie's car, I think), that Joe asked me lock the TCC WOT in 3rd gear about 85 mph. Joe wanted to try it. Most people know the '95 B body cars never had the TCC lock @ WOT from the factory, only early '94 models did. Besides the fact that file had things done to it you can't do with LT1edit, etc, and was marked so I could identify it. All my stuff is marked. I put that one file together with a hex editor from a B body cal, parts of a Vette cal, and a lot of F body code. (No 1995 was ever released with a Rev B calibration. Only very early 1994 models.) Locking the converter on a vehicle that didn't come that way makes you look like a hero on the dyno, but big those heavy B bodies don't normally like it at the track. A real torquey stroker often won't slow down with it locked, but even a head & cam 355" won't usually run as fast in the back half. Hard on converter clutches besides, especially with that much weight. I see you have finally stopped selling that one, as I only saw one I can remember in Nov. You are correct, I pointed that fact out to everybody that sent a PCM in with that file in it.

Check my website, when I found you had that car's dyno sheets on yours from Hawaii on there, I had a few that I could remember off the top of my head we had in here recently and put them up. I used their first names, last initial, and town they were from, just in case you want to check & see if I'm lying.

Might also ask the guy last month with the Impala and 24lb SVO injectors that you kept trying to fix. I almost declined that one, thinking if it was that far off he must have something wrong with his car. I can get his name if you think I'm lying. I finally sent him my normal 24lb SVO tune up, and thought maybe we could help him figure out what his problem was. He sent in a second, stock PCM, so I have no idea what you did wrong. He called back telling John how it had never run like that, exhaust no longer smelled, and his gas mileage was back. He was very happy.

Most unhappy people won't ask you for a refund anyway, they just write it off to experience.

I don't frequent any B body message boards, so don't know anything about any "shootout" between us. If your talking about race track, and not dyno testing, that's fine. What makes the absolute most power on a dyno is seldom what goes down the track the fastest. We don't race dynos.

If your talking about the '96 Vortec truck from OKC, I didn't read that PCM, I started from scratch, and simply wrote over it. I don't normally read one anyway, I just use what I have already done up for a similar application for a starting place. I assumed that box was stock. Didn't know you had tried to tune it until he came back to pick the truck up.

Btw, I get both morning and afternoon deliveries from both Fed Ex and UPS, Fed Ex picks up here every day about 4:00 pm. I also talk to very few people on the phone. Most days, nobody. John takes care of the phone so I can get some work done.

Anything else you have to say you can direct to my email, or call. I won't respond any further to this. It's just going to be a pissing contest, like too many other threads on this board.

 

When was this?

I agree, Formato was very sharp. Hated to see him pass away. He had a bad-fast Vette.

Read the first paragraph of my response to herter, that is my only problem with him. Dont know Alvin. I don't think I'm the best at anything.
Just dislike seeing my stuff resold as somebody else's. Alvin, as far as I know, isn't doing that.

 

I agree, I don't want to see the typical LS1 tech pissing contest either. I have to head to Norfolk tomorrow but maybe early next week I will give you a call and maybe we can clear the air.
A few things I will clear though....
Alvin wasn't the one who wrote that it was your chip on that dyno sheet that was on our site, the customer had. Alvin has since whited that out.
The F-body in GMhightech had a bad fuel pump Tough to program a fix for that
If you can let me know the name on the Impala with 24# svo's so I can look up that program and order sheet and see what I may have done wrong. You and I both know that we occasionally make typos and errors. It honestly sounds like I did something wrong on that one, but at least I can admit I am human, you need to work on that and realize that mistakes do happen when you do many programs a day. I have fixed some of yours and you have fixed some of mine.
That other car you have on your website dyno sheet obviously had some sort of mechanical issue or he did not tell me the mods to the car properly. Even a car well out of tune will not be that down. Also from the dyno sheet is it obvious something odd is going on there mechanically as your final dyno graph is nothing to write home about either
If you want to compare website info check out
http://www.pcmforless.com/index.php?...book&Itemid=32 and do a search for your name, you have a few mentions there
Ok, now that that is out of the way, I really don't want to get ugly with this either as it really is not my style. I've never had a beef with you, but you constantly have it out for me. It's sad in a way as we were once friendly. I will try to drop you a call next week, or you are more than welcome to call here as well.
Have a good weekend,
Bryan

 

Also WRIGHT, my name is Bryan, Bryan Herter, or Mr. Herter, please don't insult my last name by just naming me by my family name as you have a few times in this post and other places. That is just straight out rude.

 

I can look up my dyno sheet/ and reciept. It was a while ago, probably 1 1/2 to 2 years ago( I am(Steve Sumner, in your files, along with Mike Renfro. And, due to the fact I have used PCMforless, Ed Wrights, Performance resource(showing my age), Hypertech, Formato before he passed away, I have chalked it up as just a lesson learned. I dont want any money back Ed.
Also, a friend of mine had you tune a LT1, 96 Vette out here in Hawaii, and we both agreed, you tune richer than most, and believe its for saving the motor. I checked your tune on the dyno (on my motor, and he checked his also)with a wideband, and if I remember, after sending you files (diacom), you said there was nothing left in mine. But, it was in the 11. 5 range as far as A/F ratio. SO, It was rich. Since both were rich, by most peoples standards. That is where the HP was. And most tuners will tune to 12.5-13.0 for HP. You are conservative imho.

 

dude you need to pop that big bubble on your shoulder's and come back down to earth for a minute....

i have yet to see where he brought your family into this thread

 

It's called common courtesy. You do not adress someone by their last name only. My father taught me that when I was 5, maybe your father should have taught you manners as well.
I see you are in Tulsa, glad to see Ed called you to tell you to post....
Also reread it, I didn't say he brought my family in, but instead was insulting me and my last name (my family name, since that is what your last name is, your family name)
Take a chill pill, I am just insulted when I am referred to by my last name like that.

 

Diacom wont tell you the air/fuel ratio. If I had known it was that rich, I would have sent you another chip. I do that all the time. Speed density cars are more touchy about heads, etc, as regard to air/fuel. The stronger the engine, the more lbs/hr it needs @ WOT. I don't dare send out tuning from a weak engine, and fry somebodies especially strong one. I send out what has made the most power here. I would rather go back and lean a rich one that worry about somebody not being smart enough to dyno one and not catch a lean one. The MAF (a good one) is a great equalizer. I have never knowingly told anybody that one that running rich @ WOT there was no more in it. The stuff I have seen from herter was normally very high 13s. I use 12.8-1 to low 13s here. Depends on vehicle weight, application, etc. I don't remember ever seeing wide band data from either Vette you mention.

I also don't know where his customer service bs comes from. We get compliments on that all the time. I don't get cranky on the phone unless the other guy gets smart first. I won't listen to that bs.

Just made a liar of myself by posting again. Sorry. That's all. I'm out of here.

 

i have followed this thread from the start up just aint said nothing

i assume you address everyone with a MR. xxxx i highly doubt it


its the damn internet arguing get over it

 

Maybe I was a bit touchy on that issue, but I do honestly find it insulting and YES, I do adress everyone by either their first name, or by Mr. xxxxx I don't do the last name only thing, I just think it shows a lack of class and reminds me of a bunch of drunks in a bar.

 

Ed , read my post my A/F ratio was done with a wideband.And I called, talked to your son about the A/F ,along with the A/F ratio thing. And I was told, there was nothing left. My friend Mikes Vette was also rich, and you wouldnt lean it out either. Also my motor , is a Moreperformane 396 lt1, which is pretty strng motor. Even though I put a Hot Cam in, asit was a daily driver, nevertheless, it was a strngly built motor.
http://www.moreperformanceinc.com/lt1_396_417-400.php
Heres before :

And Pcmforless:

And yes the F/P was as lean as I could get it.