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Old 12-30-2005 | 02:20 PM
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figure i'll give it another shot

car misses around 5800+ i've been fighting it for many years now with no luck.
changed plugs & wires many times, 3 different opti, 2 different ignition boxes, 3 coils, 3 different valves springs, 2 cams, 2 different set of heads, 2 ecu, 2 opti harnesses, ignition modual, fuel pump, injectors....
not all of those thing i changed was to get rid of the miss but just giving you and idea of what i've been through

plus im sure i missed something


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Old 12-30-2005 | 03:57 PM
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do I dare say LT4 KM ?
Old 12-30-2005 | 04:44 PM
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i know its not knock becuase i disabled the knock retard, my cam was driving the computer nuts
Old 12-30-2005 | 04:50 PM
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are you running a stock opti and have you upped your rev limiter
Old 12-30-2005 | 06:56 PM
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Does sound like rev limit.
Old 12-31-2005 | 01:01 AM
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did you change the cap and rotor when you changed the opti's? My high rpm miss was the cap and rotor caused by my msd.

Valve float maybe?
Old 12-31-2005 | 01:39 AM
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I was thinking the stock rev limiter as well as soon as I read your post. I saw stock computer, self tuned, did you raise it by chance?
Old 01-03-2006 | 11:41 AM
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put 3 differnt opti's on it. so i think that rules that out

i know its not the rev limiter becuase both the ecu and accell are at 7k

i wouldnt think it would be valve float, had 3 different sets of springs on the car
and my old head with the springs and 306 cam are on another car that doesnt have this issue.
Old 01-03-2006 | 03:10 PM
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Have you tried taking the ignition box off? Those things are notorious for causing problems on optispark cars.
Old 01-03-2006 | 03:11 PM
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yeah i ran it with 2 different accel boxes, then removed it completely
Old 01-03-2006 | 08:46 PM
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What makes you think it's a miss? The PCM will usually flag a a true misfire, but there's a lot of forms of high rpm stumble that don't throw any codes.
Old 01-04-2006 | 06:42 AM
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Did you replace the wiring harness? If its something in the harness, changing all of the things at the end wont help it at all.
Old 01-04-2006 | 09:36 AM
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miss, stumble... call it what ever you want. my cars a 94 so it doesnt have the crank sensor... so it wont know throw a code


thats the only thing i havent tried, that i can think of. i've just thrown so much money at it i'd hate to keep doing it.
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I have the same problem with mine, but I haven't tried as many things as you. Also, my miss/stumble starts at 4500.

Here is a list of what I have changed:

plugs (NGK TR6, and Autolite 104's-gapped to .032)
wires
2 opti's (Both new GM units)
opti extension harness
engine wiring harness
ECM
Crane HI-6 with LX92 coil
stock ignition

I never felt the problem before I put the blower on (it's a ported heads/CC306, stock bottom end), so I took the car back to NA, put the 30# injectors back in, along with my other ECM with the original Ed Wright tune. Took it for a spin and I didn't feel anything. Then I put it back on the dyno (NA) and the graph looked similar, but not NEARLY as bad. So it was doing it NA, but I couldn't feel it. Looked up some old dyno sheets (from 3 years ago) and it didn't show in those graphs.

I'm at a loss too....pulling my hair out trying to figure it out.
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Is your timing too aggressive? What kinda timing are we logging at WOT?
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I have the same problem. I have a MSD 6A, with a msd coil. My car has a miss at just over 6k. I shift the motor at 6400, and ususlly around 6100 and 6300, it feels like the motor misses on 1 or 2 cil. I have put on a new opti cap/rotor, new wires/ plugs. I plan on putting on a new opti this winter to see if it fixs the problems but i have a bad feeling it will not.
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Originally Posted by dhdenney
Is your timing too aggressive? What kinda timing are we logging at WOT?
The NA tune from Ed Wright had/has something like 44* in it at WOT, but the blower tune only has about 17-18* in it.

I am seeing 0 knock retard.
Old 01-05-2006 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dhdenney
Is your timing too aggressive? What kinda timing are we logging at WOT?
im running a decent amount of timing, dont remember the exact number.
but i have tried pulling alot out and it still missed.
Old 01-05-2006 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ponyhntr
I have the same problem with mine, but I haven't tried as many things as you. Also, my miss/stumble starts at 4500.

Here is a list of what I have changed:

plugs (NGK TR6, and Autolite 104's-gapped to .032)
wires
2 opti's (Both new GM units)
opti extension harness
engine wiring harness
ECM
Crane HI-6 with LX92 coil
stock ignition

I never felt the problem before I put the blower on (it's a ported heads/CC306, stock bottom end), so I took the car back to NA, put the 30# injectors back in, along with my other ECM with the original Ed Wright tune. Took it for a spin and I didn't feel anything. Then I put it back on the dyno (NA) and the graph looked similar, but not NEARLY as bad. So it was doing it NA, but I couldn't feel it. Looked up some old dyno sheets (from 3 years ago) and it didn't show in those graphs.

I'm at a loss too....pulling my hair out trying to figure it out.
does yours rev past where it misses?
Old 01-06-2006 | 12:06 AM
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check the grounds all the grounds, had mine come loose on the coil and had a miss, also what is your spark plug gap, are you blowing the spark out?


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