LE3 LE3 <-- its the rage right?
What about running LE2 heads with an LE3 cam? I kinda had my heart set on the LE3 package myself since I just had my bottom end rebuilt but it looks like it may be too risky.
track times when comparing track times, you have to look at vehicle weight and 60 ft FIRST. You have to find cars with the sam eweight and are getting the ame 60ft (gear, stall, traction) to see how the heads/cam compare.
To compare anyones heads/cam you need to look at these first. If you look at hvyss's car, that shows what a 4000 lb plus car with a 1.7 60 ft can do with my heads and that baby CC 503 cam. Hopefully our cam (similar duration) will put him in the 11's. You would need to find other heads/cam in the same weight car with same 60 ft to see how well the heads/cam compare.
If you look at Quickshots car (a VERY fast car), it is pretty light (3200 lbs with driver I think) and is getting 1.50 60fts. You would need to find a car set up like this to compare my heads/cam to his. I think he runs 10.80's and I have had a few in the mid 11's at a much heavier weight and worse 60ft. Not sure how well my stuff would run on this car but it would be interesting to see. He has the knowledge to make it fast and also has the willingness to do these things (3 speed auto, lots of weight removed, etc) to make the car fast. He wants to make the car fast and is willing to take some steps that others might nowanna do.
Heads and cam are 1 part of the puzzle and 60 ft and weight are a much bigger part.
You really can't go wrong with Joe O/E.B. porting h/c, AI h/c oe Elliot Portworks h/c. If you call em up with your goals and set up, we can all make the car as fast as you can afford to go.
Lloyd Elliott
972-617-5671
Eportworks.com
To compare anyones heads/cam you need to look at these first. If you look at hvyss's car, that shows what a 4000 lb plus car with a 1.7 60 ft can do with my heads and that baby CC 503 cam. Hopefully our cam (similar duration) will put him in the 11's. You would need to find other heads/cam in the same weight car with same 60 ft to see how well the heads/cam compare.
If you look at Quickshots car (a VERY fast car), it is pretty light (3200 lbs with driver I think) and is getting 1.50 60fts. You would need to find a car set up like this to compare my heads/cam to his. I think he runs 10.80's and I have had a few in the mid 11's at a much heavier weight and worse 60ft. Not sure how well my stuff would run on this car but it would be interesting to see. He has the knowledge to make it fast and also has the willingness to do these things (3 speed auto, lots of weight removed, etc) to make the car fast. He wants to make the car fast and is willing to take some steps that others might nowanna do.
Heads and cam are 1 part of the puzzle and 60 ft and weight are a much bigger part.
You really can't go wrong with Joe O/E.B. porting h/c, AI h/c oe Elliot Portworks h/c. If you call em up with your goals and set up, we can all make the car as fast as you can afford to go.
Lloyd Elliott
972-617-5671
Eportworks.com
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
Well how much performance would i loos (and could i do it) iwht LE3 heads and the LE2 cam. And then with the LE3 heads, keep the stock compression instead of raising it. I know you guys lvoe compression, but i can deal with a bit of performance loss to get rid of that compression.
Im going for real low compression when i put the new bottom end in (f/i motor) and have real small CC is just making it harder toget pistons with the compression i want (and i dont wan to pay for custom pistons)
Im going for real low compression when i put the new bottom end in (f/i motor) and have real small CC is just making it harder toget pistons with the compression i want (and i dont wan to pay for custom pistons)
Originally Posted by Dragframe
Well how much performance would i loos (and could i do it) iwht LE3 heads and the LE2 cam. And then with the LE3 heads, keep the stock compression instead of raising it. I know you guys lvoe compression, but i can deal with a bit of performance loss to get rid of that compression.
Im going for real low compression when i put the new bottom end in (f/i motor) and have real small CC is just making it harder toget pistons with the compression i want (and i dont wan to pay for custom pistons)
Im going for real low compression when i put the new bottom end in (f/i motor) and have real small CC is just making it harder toget pistons with the compression i want (and i dont wan to pay for custom pistons)
NA motor to Boosted motor
355 short block built with FLAT TOP PISTONS
Run a LE2 stock LT1 casting head for the NA setup, then get a AFR 210cc head with the large 76cc chamber later on and that will drop your compression to 9:1 for the boost, plus you get the thicker deck for the boost.
Your going to kill your drivability and power with the low compression NA motor, don't do it.
Bret
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Best thing you can do....
NA motor to Boosted motor
355 short block built with FLAT TOP PISTONS
Run a LE2 stock LT1 casting head for the NA setup, then get a AFR 210cc head with the large 76cc chamber later on and that will drop your compression to 9:1 for the boost, plus you get the thicker deck for the boost.
Your going to kill your drivability and power with the low compression NA motor, don't do it.
Bret
NA motor to Boosted motor
355 short block built with FLAT TOP PISTONS
Run a LE2 stock LT1 casting head for the NA setup, then get a AFR 210cc head with the large 76cc chamber later on and that will drop your compression to 9:1 for the boost, plus you get the thicker deck for the boost.
Your going to kill your drivability and power with the low compression NA motor, don't do it.
Bret
But im thinking now.. since i have all my nitrous **** on the way... I could jsut do the LE2 package on my stock LT1... and get some headers and massive throttle body... and a mail order tune (maybe do some data logging to get it as close as i can)... and keep on sprayin a 100 shot. should be good enough fun right there untill i get to do the full build up.
Will the LE2 heads work good for a turbo motor? Im actully going for around 8.5:1 - 8.75:1 compression... and about 15-20 psi boost... but that is a long ways away and im not worried about it yet (jsut want the heads to suit it well).
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Stock compression is not really the goal here NA... there is power lost if you open up those chambers too much.
I've seen stock bottom ends go with a LE1 head, LE2 cam and a N2O shot.
Bret
I've seen stock bottom ends go with a LE1 head, LE2 cam and a N2O shot.
Bret
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do not plan beyond your money spending limits!!!
I did and I dont have a running car right now... it saddens me to no end
I just dont have the money to fix it. even when it was running I couldnt spend the money to get it running CORRECTLY which also made me mad.
I did and I dont have a running car right now... it saddens me to no end
I just dont have the money to fix it. even when it was running I couldnt spend the money to get it running CORRECTLY which also made me mad.
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
Originally Posted by zigroid
do not plan beyond your money spending limits!!!
I did and I dont have a running car right now... it saddens me to no end
I just dont have the money to fix it. even when it was running I couldnt spend the money to get it running CORRECTLY which also made me mad.
I did and I dont have a running car right now... it saddens me to no end
I just dont have the money to fix it. even when it was running I couldnt spend the money to get it running CORRECTLY which also made me mad.
i buy stuff slowly.... and then put it together when i have it all... all at once...
this is my DD for the moment... so i can NOT not have it..
yeah, so did I.
then when I put it together all kinds of problems surfaced. then the $500 torque converter blew apart and took out my $1000 transmission. **** happens.
then forget about modding it. put a decent exhaust on it, get a good stock mail order tune, gears, and whatnot. MAYBE a mild cam.
as soon as you start modifying your vehicle things are bound to break. rarely is it a smooth transition from stock to modified. problems WILL arise on the way. before my tranny went in early december from the end of july till then there were at least 5 weeks of total time that the car was down for some sort of repair.
I've learned waaaaay too many things the hard way.
then when I put it together all kinds of problems surfaced. then the $500 torque converter blew apart and took out my $1000 transmission. **** happens.
this is my DD for the moment... so i can NOT not have it..
as soon as you start modifying your vehicle things are bound to break. rarely is it a smooth transition from stock to modified. problems WILL arise on the way. before my tranny went in early december from the end of july till then there were at least 5 weeks of total time that the car was down for some sort of repair.
I've learned waaaaay too many things the hard way.
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From: wyoming @ 12000 DA...
Originally Posted by zigroid
yeah, so did I.
then when I put it together all kinds of problems surfaced. then the $500 torque converter blew apart and took out my $1000 transmission. **** happens.
then forget about modding it. put a decent exhaust on it, get a good stock mail order tune, gears, and whatnot. MAYBE a mild cam.
as soon as you start modifying your vehicle things are bound to break. rarely is it a smooth transition from stock to modified. problems WILL arise on the way. before my tranny went in early december from the end of july till then there were at least 5 weeks of total time that the car was down for some sort of repair.
I've learned waaaaay too many things the hard way.
then when I put it together all kinds of problems surfaced. then the $500 torque converter blew apart and took out my $1000 transmission. **** happens.
then forget about modding it. put a decent exhaust on it, get a good stock mail order tune, gears, and whatnot. MAYBE a mild cam.
as soon as you start modifying your vehicle things are bound to break. rarely is it a smooth transition from stock to modified. problems WILL arise on the way. before my tranny went in early december from the end of july till then there were at least 5 weeks of total time that the car was down for some sort of repair.
I've learned waaaaay too many things the hard way.
I was going to go with pacesetter heads, 58mm throttlebody, LE2, injectors, and then mail order tune. Should be plenty.
IM puting ina 12 bolt and subframe connectors asap.
Originally Posted by Dragframe
for the moment... im talking maybe a couple months... i have another truck at home. And i wont get the heads and cam for AT LEAST that long... I mean im goign to be spraying it right now...
I was going to go with pacesetter heads, 58mm throttlebody, LE2, injectors, and then mail order tune. Should be plenty.
IM puting ina 12 bolt and subframe connectors asap.
I was going to go with pacesetter heads, 58mm throttlebody, LE2, injectors, and then mail order tune. Should be plenty.
IM puting ina 12 bolt and subframe connectors asap.
