Ok.. well i have a brand new LT1... completly stock. I have other threads askign about things to do for it. But they seem to die out and i get little response beyond what the frist post asked. lol.

I was thinking Nitrous (about $1000) or a turbo (see big $4500). But the I thought of a better option. LE3 package. Mid way in price ($2000 about) and same power gains.

Well waht would i see out of a stock LT1 with the package installed? I do have plans for bigger better things later, so i mise well get the LE3 now and say no to the LE2.

Will i need injectors? Lifters? Roller rockers? Pushrods? Fuel pump?

A tune is a obvious yes. Will a mailorder tune get me close enough?

I know a stall is going to be wanted... lol

I am a mile high above sea level, and i know that will make a difference in power. So what do you think i will make for power?

And last ( i know... a ton of questions...), how long to install it (how many hours)? I know i can do it in the car (i have searched a little bit), but what does it take to get the cam into the motor while it is in the car?

Thanks,.,., I may have one or two more questions... but i need all these answered first... Thanks for all the help!!

Nick

 

if you want a package from lloyd, you are not limited to the LE1, 2, or 3. talk to him and bret and they will make whatever you want. he just has those listed up as common packages or to get into a ballpark for pricing/performance.

you're going to need injectors. lifters are going to depend on the springs, pushrods you might need and they're cheap anyway. if you get a completely custom setup u may need to get a different length pushrod anyway.

like i said, your best bet is to e-mail or call up lloyd and ask him yourself. he can help u more than anyone here. just tell him what you're looking for.

 

Plan on the LE3 setup costing over $3000 once you get all supporting mods as well. How new is your bottom end? The LE3 is gonna like the revs, like 6500+, if your bottom end isn't in tip top shape you may wanna rethink. Injectors, yes you will need larger ones. Lifters, you will most likely want a better set of lifters, those 26120 beehives have a pretty good amount of spring pressure and stock lifters won' like that. Roller rockers, yes you should most certainly have them, think about 1.6 NSA RR's and guidleplates. Pushrods, yes need them. Your fuel pump could be fine, only one way to find out. A setup like that is gonna want stall, best option would be 3500+...probably something along the lines of a 4000 would be best. Gears, your gonna want them...3.73's and lower(numerically higher) is whats needed.

As for power, i couldn't tell you. That package makes real good power, your elevation affects power, but I don't know what the difference will be. The install is pretty straight forward, its pretty easy to do if ya take your time. When i did mine, i took my time. I know i could have done it by myself in a weekends time. There are a bunch of good writeups about Heads/Cam installation to explain exactly what you need to do.

 

I would opt for the LE2 heads on a stock bottom end. The LE3 stuff is more for a 355, than a stock bottom due to valve sizes and RPM range.

Bret

 

well my motor is rebuilt... rebuilt stock.. there is no difference between a 350 and a 350 bored 30 over (a 355)... a couple cubes is it. It is a 355.

 

Just go with what Bret (SStroker Ace) says trust me.

 

Well a good 355 can make a big difference over a stock 350.

The aftermarket pistons can accomidate better cams and bigger valves and good rods will take the RPM, that's why I mention it.

You should call up Lloyd and talk to him about it before you make up your mind.

Bret

 

just out of sheer boredom I did a quick search today on camaroz28.com of some recent dynos of lloyd's work...

http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread...t=dyno+numbers LE1 heads & CC306 cam, 350 - 400rwhp/365rwtq
http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread...t=dyno+numbers LE2 heads & cam, 383 - 386/370
http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread...t=dyno+numbers LE2 heads & cam, 350 - 415/381
http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread...t=dyno+numbers LE2 heads & cam, 383 - 438/419
http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread...t=dyno+numbers LE1 heads & LE2 cam, 350 - 403/383
http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread.php?t=419283 LE1 heads & LE2 cam, 355 - 385/374
http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread.php?t=420958 LE1.5 heads & LE1 cam, 350 - 375/352
http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread...t=dyno+numbers LE1 heads & 236/245 cam, 357 - 376/350ish
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408529 LE2 heads & LE3 cam, 355 - 11.7 @ 121 mph in the 1/4, no dyno #s

the results dont lie with lloyd. if you want to know what supporting mods to get, most of those guys have at least some of theirs listed.

 

Lloyd is a great guy and I would just call him and talk to him about it. He can tell you everything you need to know, beats searching thru 30 different threads imo.

 

yeah the best thing you can do is talk to lloyd directly. He tailors everything to the customers needs and is always truthful.

 

well my main two promblems are as follows...

1: Stock bottom end not suitable for turning the RPMs needed for LE3 package
2: Only tuning solution i have it mailorder.. there are not any people who can tunr my car even in this state.


So how about the LE3 heads with LE2 cam. This way i wont have to turn as many R's, and the smalled cam will be easier to tune.

 

Dragframe....LE2/LE2.... all the way then.

The aftermarket pistons can accomidate better cams and bigger valves of the LE3 head and the stock pistons cant!

BTW this one finished up at 400rwhp, it was 385 before the fuel system couldnt keep up.

http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread.php?t=419283 400.3 rwhp and 385rwtq

This one was a used setup with a OLD LE1 cam

http://64.65.63.61/forums/showthread.php?t=420958 LE1.5 heads & LE1 cam, 350 - 375/352

Lloyd said that the newer cam is consistantly much more TQ and more HP.... more like 380rwhp/370+rwtq

I'm still happy with the TQ numbers of the LE2 cam over anything else that has been run with Lloyds heads on street 350's.

Bret

 

THanks man.. but there is no way i can run the LE3 heads on the stock pistons? Becuz it is somewhat redundant to got LE2 now when in a year I will want to go LE3 and not be able to afford it because i alread spent most the money on the new bottom end and the LE2 heads earlier in the year.

I mean if there is no way then i will think abotu what to do. I jsut want to build a lil 800 rwhp turbo motor at the end of the year, i jsut want something to run as hard as possible off heads, cam, exhaust, and intake for now.

 

If it was me I would do the LE2's and call it at day and not worry about it! Your not going to find that much more power #1 and #2 the issues with the stock bottom end are not worth it. Belive me it's easier for every party that is envolved.

You can do the LE3 heads IF you assemble everything like a engine builder would, check piston to valve clearance with a SR lifter, degree the cam in correctly etc... things most guys can't and don't do.

Bret

 

just call the guy up..hes the easiest guy in the world to talk to..even if your not buying from him. Great business man in my opinion. Ive sent him prolly 4- or 5 referals from my home area just cuz of his attitude and from everything else i hear.

 

You might want to go with some kind of FI with that altitude.

 

im hopeing for 430-450 rhp with my plans for a 383 and le2 h/c as well as sending him my intake manifold. From the above numbers im thinking i may not reach my goal but i will keep my fingers crossed. I will need at least 430rhp to break 11's with 2.73's and stock converter.

 

all I can add is I have the LE2 heads and CC XE224/230 (503). With the supporting mods in my 4400 lb pig and a 355ci LT1 I gained .9 tenths of a second over Agistino ported iron heads with larger valves. I went from 13.0s to 12.1's just by installing LE2 heads. Who knows once I install the custom cam Bret sent. Lloyd is a great guy and has the best customer service. Lloyd rocks
HVY SS

 

How do the track times compare to Joe Overtons packages?

 

You might want to rethink the gears and converter. When you talk to Lloyd, ask him about 2.73s and a stock converter with an LE2.