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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 08:16 PM
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So im ordering a chip in the next few days and i just had a couple of thoughts about it. I went to pcmforless.com and looked at there order sheet, and then compared it to madz28.com It seems that MAD has more options for tunable things, IE. Headers, Cats, Differential Gear Size and tire size. Im wondering if that is just extra stuff on the order sheet to make it look more appealing. Alvins sheet doesnt have some of the options that MAD does. Any input guys.

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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 08:24 PM
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based off my personal experience with both, I'll be going with MadZ28 for the next tune I need. He's slightly cheaper as well, iirc.
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 09:23 PM
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You can't go wrong with either. I am a happy Madz28 customer myself.
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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Im not worried about going wrong, im just confused on there order sheets being so damn different.
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 09:29 PM
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They are both awesome. ANd you will not being just filling out a form. I know with Alvin, he will work with you after the chip is in to continue working it till your happy, and I am almost Mad tune will too. They are most highly recommended by several forums.
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Old Mar 16, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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I have a madz28 tune and love it! more power, firmer shifts, ect.ect.ect. I went with madz28 because his tuning seemed to have more options and from what ive heard from others tends to pull a little more power out of the tune. I have heard alot of good things about pcmforless as well and im sure you would probably be happy with either. My vote goes for madz28.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 12:51 AM
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 01:37 AM
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Well, I wouldn't be to worried about the order sheet. It really doesn't matter what tire size or gear ratio you have. You have a 93 and you can't correct for the speedo on a 93. You have to change the gears in the tranny. I personally have no experience with MadZ28, but I know Alvin can doing anything you want. He has very good customer service and will work with you till its right. If you don't like the order sheet, call him and talk to him or shoot him an email.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 04:28 AM
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Well, I wouldn't be to worried about the order sheet. It really doesn't matter what tire size or gear ratio you have. You have a 93 and you can't correct for the speedo on a 93. You have to change the gears in the tranny. I personally have no experience with MadZ28, but I know Alvin can doing anything you want. He has very good customer service and will work with you till its right. If you don't like the order sheet, call him and talk to him or shoot him an email.
I second alvin (pcmforless) great guy and very easy to work with
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 06:16 AM
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my car had a pcmforless.com chip when i bought it, it runs smooth as can be
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 04:24 PM
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Alvin from PCM, He is really easy to work with from personal experiences.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 06:25 PM
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Never had any experirnce with madz28 or alvin, but bryan does great on both may cars.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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MadZ28.
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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Another vote for PCMforLess

I have not worked with Alvin; however, Bryan is easy to work with!
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Old Mar 18, 2006 | 06:45 AM
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Though I have an EEPROM (94+) I have both and still use tunercat for setting my own shift points. Both tunes dynoed no more than 2 hp apart each pull of 3 pulls per tune. The #'s were 328-330rwhp on a hotcam, A4, Impala SS. Remember that these are mail order tunes, don't expect absolute perfection.

Ion, Alvin and Bryan are all good ppl and I'm sure they can square you away.

Oh, plus Ion had to fix my PCM. But I bought both just for the "why not" factor and threads like these.
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Old Mar 18, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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I have a madZ28 tune and it is great. I would recommend him to anyone.

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Old Mar 19, 2006 | 08:35 PM
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pcmforless all day long.....all the madz tunes i have looked at have been really rich......
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 01:34 AM
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well I have a pcm's tune and it runs nice but very rich.......I guess it's a safe tune.....all I can say is that I have a big cam that is streetable (23x 24x )with his tune...
but I'm sure I can make alot more power...with a better tuner on a dyno.....
Bryan did **** up my buddy's tune....pretty bad...though..
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