Pics of my BRE Single Plane Intake!
03-24-2006, 11:43 AM
#22
I realize guys think this is a intake that only helps "top end" power but that's not the whole story. I've used these on motors that are 30 cubes smaller than other motors and made MORE TQ.
Getting close to 1.5 ft lbs per cube of TQ is not an easy task, but I've seen that with these intakes on motors a few times. When you compare that to a good LT1 intake setup you are around 1.4 ft lbs per cube and most a lot lower than that. More like 1.25-1.30 ft lbs per cube.
In reality I would expect a peak TQ gain of 30 ft lbs and 20hp easy, with a 5% gain in average power from stall to shift point.
Ron's setup will be a good test though, he should be over the 500rwhp barrier with this.
Bret
Getting close to 1.5 ft lbs per cube of TQ is not an easy task, but I've seen that with these intakes on motors a few times. When you compare that to a good LT1 intake setup you are around 1.4 ft lbs per cube and most a lot lower than that. More like 1.25-1.30 ft lbs per cube.
In reality I would expect a peak TQ gain of 30 ft lbs and 20hp easy, with a 5% gain in average power from stall to shift point.
Ron's setup will be a good test though, he should be over the 500rwhp barrier with this.
Bret
03-24-2006, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo_6
dhdenney, There are wiring harness converters for the Accufab/Ford TB that I'll be running so that it is plug and play with the factory TPS harness. The MAP sensor will have an adapter also that allows it to be used but remote mounted. All the other vacuum lines will be kept, you can't see them, but the vacuum ports are attached to the back of the intake elbow. Here is a link to the website that makes the adapters.
http://www.raceprovenmotors.com/cart...p?cPath=43_127
http://www.raceprovenmotors.com/cart...p?cPath=43_127
03-24-2006, 05:31 PM
#27
cost cost cost...
would it be possible to use the stock lt1 fuel rails and injectors? then just buy a intake wiht the fuel injector bungs already done and such... and buy the throttle body and elbow? add the sensors and be done? And how much difference in tuning is needed between this and the stock intake?
would it be possible to use the stock lt1 fuel rails and injectors? then just buy a intake wiht the fuel injector bungs already done and such... and buy the throttle body and elbow? add the sensors and be done? And how much difference in tuning is needed between this and the stock intake?
03-24-2006, 06:25 PM
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Soundandfury, its not paint, it is an antifriction/heat rejection ceramic coating from polydyn.
Dragframe, like I said earlier, if you would want some specifics about cost, I'd recommend calling or emailing Bret at BRE as to what he'd charge. I'm sure he could answer your questions regarding any cheaper alternatives. Honestly though, you wouldn't save very much trying to use LT1 fuel rails, aftermarket rails are fairly cheap, and this setup uses standard injectors and if you could make use of one of these intakes, you won't be running stock LT1 24# injectors anyway. I won't know the answer to the tuning question until we actually put it on the dyno. Maybe Bret could comment on that a little further.
Thanks for the compliments guys. I'm excited to get it on the car and see if it runs as well as it looks!
Dragframe, like I said earlier, if you would want some specifics about cost, I'd recommend calling or emailing Bret at BRE as to what he'd charge. I'm sure he could answer your questions regarding any cheaper alternatives. Honestly though, you wouldn't save very much trying to use LT1 fuel rails, aftermarket rails are fairly cheap, and this setup uses standard injectors and if you could make use of one of these intakes, you won't be running stock LT1 24# injectors anyway. I won't know the answer to the tuning question until we actually put it on the dyno. Maybe Bret could comment on that a little further.
Thanks for the compliments guys. I'm excited to get it on the car and see if it runs as well as it looks!
03-24-2006, 06:49 PM
#29
Originally Posted by Turbo_6
Soundandfury, its not paint, it is an antifriction/heat rejection ceramic coating from polydyn.
Dragframe, like I said earlier, if you would want some specifics about cost, I'd recommend calling or emailing Bret at BRE as to what he'd charge. I'm sure he could answer your questions regarding any cheaper alternatives. Honestly though, you wouldn't save very much trying to use LT1 fuel rails, aftermarket rails are fairly cheap, and this setup uses standard injectors and if you could make use of one of these intakes, you won't be running stock LT1 24# injectors anyway. I won't know the answer to the tuning question until we actually put it on the dyno. Maybe Bret could comment on that a little further.
Thanks for the compliments guys. I'm excited to get it on the car and see if it runs as well as it looks!
Dragframe, like I said earlier, if you would want some specifics about cost, I'd recommend calling or emailing Bret at BRE as to what he'd charge. I'm sure he could answer your questions regarding any cheaper alternatives. Honestly though, you wouldn't save very much trying to use LT1 fuel rails, aftermarket rails are fairly cheap, and this setup uses standard injectors and if you could make use of one of these intakes, you won't be running stock LT1 24# injectors anyway. I won't know the answer to the tuning question until we actually put it on the dyno. Maybe Bret could comment on that a little further.
Thanks for the compliments guys. I'm excited to get it on the car and see if it runs as well as it looks!
03-24-2006, 10:20 PM
#30
I am in the process of a similar conversion now and my intake cost 1200 fully ported and machined to bolt to the lt1 no coating that included fuel rails plus t body and am having a custm elbow made as we speak by intakeelbows.com after all said and done probably a 2000 dollar upgrade
03-25-2006, 12:29 AM
#32
The price of the fuel rails is minimal. It would cost more for me to measure out a set of stock rails and make them work with the single plane.... I understand this is not the cheapest thing in the word but when you are looking for a cheap alternative to a sheetmetal intake it's the way to go. I worry about costs for the end consumure AND make sure I make enough to do a GOOD job on the intake... when you are dealing with 100% hand work to do everything you need to make sure the guy is being paid well to do what he does.
Bret
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03-25-2006, 03:46 PM
#33
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
this is not the cheapest thing in the word but when you are looking for a cheap alternative to a sheetmetal intake it's the way to go. I worry about costs for the end consumure AND make sure I make enough to do a GOOD job on the intake... when you are dealing with 100% hand work to do everything you need to make sure the guy is being paid well to do what he does.
Bret
Bret
03-25-2006, 05:12 PM
#34
Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
I realize guys think this is a intake that only helps "top end" power but that's not the whole story. I've used these on motors that are 30 cubes smaller than other motors and made MORE TQ.
Getting close to 1.5 ft lbs per cube of TQ is not an easy task, but I've seen that with these intakes on motors a few times. When you compare that to a good LT1 intake setup you are around 1.4 ft lbs per cube and most a lot lower than that. More like 1.25-1.30 ft lbs per cube.
In reality I would expect a peak TQ gain of 30 ft lbs and 20hp easy, with a 5% gain in average power from stall to shift point.
Ron's setup will be a good test though, he should be over the 500rwhp barrier with this.
Bret
Getting close to 1.5 ft lbs per cube of TQ is not an easy task, but I've seen that with these intakes on motors a few times. When you compare that to a good LT1 intake setup you are around 1.4 ft lbs per cube and most a lot lower than that. More like 1.25-1.30 ft lbs per cube.
In reality I would expect a peak TQ gain of 30 ft lbs and 20hp easy, with a 5% gain in average power from stall to shift point.
Ron's setup will be a good test though, he should be over the 500rwhp barrier with this.
Bret
