Shorties have 1 advantage: Ground Clearance.

 

you said he should go gears or stall 98% of the people that buy headers buy for power you iggnorrant ***. And not bragging on my friends car you tool bag simply using it as a PaceSetter /LT example. You have to be the dumbest MFer on here. You must be an LT1Tech.com regular with the dumbass things you say. Junior go learn more and then come talk with the people that actually understand once again THAT MORE AIRFLOW IS A GOOD THING AND SHORTY'S DO NOT ALLOW THAT.

 

Oh and if your so confident on your shorty's being better go post your iggnorrance under the Advanced section and see how you fair Einstien !!!

 

You don't give up do you? I really wish you'd quit spreading this mis-leading crap! The guys who know differently are probably just ignoring you, and the guys that don't know better are being mis-lead. Your fluke result's don't fit the norm, and don't mean squat! Why don't you put your shorties back on and re-dyno, so we can accurately note the drop in hp!

 

That's a great idea!

 

The Pacesetters are 1 3/4" my friend.

 

BTW- I picked up 11rwhp with Pacesetter LTs over my previous Hooker shorties.

 

man you need some anger managment... simple discussion gets personal
or maybe you just need to grow up.



i thought 98% of the people who modded there cars wanted to go fast?
remember dyno numbers dont mean ****... man you keep contridicting yourslelf.

now when did i say they were better? you need to quit putting words in my mouth. every post this has been discussed i've given my results and said if your going to get headers and you care about ground clearence and emissions get shorties... if you dont get long tubes.

and in this case i said get stall or gears you will see a better gain then swapping headers. you guys are making an arument out of nothing.

yes air flow is good... engines an air pump, but if its only taking in xx amount is only need to get rid of xx amount.
in my case the extra flow did jack ****. as i said before and i guess you guys ignored it. do a search, look for all the dyno numbers and track times of the lt4 hot cam with stock head, theres plenty of them out there. you will see that shorties and longtubes are all dynoing/running right around each other.

swapping back to shorties, not worth my money or time. im making 80hp more then i was when i had the shorties... hell i agree with you they probably are a restriction now. thats alot more air coming and going in the motor.


so im ignorant for documenting sharing my gains? isnt that what this boards about?
i've tried to test everything i do so i can see if my money was spent well.
i can tell you what it took to get from 14.4(yeah it was slow) to what im running now(still slow).

 

I did not make anything personal except for your lack of thought by saying previously that "LT's where not worth the switch". You also stated you saw no change and others haven't seen gains,I also said Dyno numbers do not mean crap. As far as this board and the threads they are about sharing yes, but they are also about not misinforming people that are not as knowledgable as others. 98% of the people modding do want to make POWER, which leaves the obvious 2% that are going another direction.

I never said dyno numbers mean anything yet they mean something, #1 it gives the person an idea of what kinda HP they are making and #2 it makes the majority happy and sells more parts for all involved.

If you are running an LT4 cam and stock heads apperently power is not a big priority anyways, also so now you make more power and you have LT's. Where previously you said you saw no gains. Now I could be mixed up but this crap has drug on so long I cannot remember all the wonderful things you have stated.

Yes shorties are better if someone is concerned about clearance but you can get emission friendly long tubes.And no I am not making an argument out of nothing but I am guessing your phrazing of your statements, in which I know what I should have done earlier is just agree to disagree with you. How you saw zero difference is an interesting prospect, I know alot of people want to see the advertised number in gains and when they don't they bash the part. Everything also has alot to do with your combination.

I NEVER put words in your mouth, I went with info you provided. And FYI I was never being personal with you but your lack of respect at the simple proof of the stated questions and yet you still disagreed is somewhat frustrating. This is why I am no school teacher. As for anger management yeah I may have a major anger issue but it takes more than some keyboard warrior to set me off, well unless you where local and had a genuine personal issue with me. So goodtimes for all I look forward to future disagreements with you or whoever else is out there, something to be learned by all.




Ok, my mistake. I have read multiple bad things on them is all. Oh Well.

 

Feel the love in here.....

 

I have always just run a mid length header, it is a good compromise IMO, they don't sound to raspy, they give you good clearance, You pick up pretty good power.

 

very true

 

Agreed

 

 

In my own personal experience,( before i bought the car) My friend ran BBK shorties & bullets off the hedders on my 95 Z 6sp and it still ran good w/ a 13.1@108mph N/A(he never made a pass on the juice cuz he got it 1 week after that 13.1 pass and never ran it again cuz he sold it to me) on 275/50 DRs and skinnies with crappy 60fts like 2.2 & 2.1 cuz my friend kept launching to low and bogging it down. It dyno'd 295rwhp N/A and about 360rwhp w/ a zex dry 75 shot(It was a bolt-on car only w/ just a .030 overbore to a 355ci and a lil juice on a portable dyno(which i know are a lil optimistic) they had at a show 2 weeks after he ran that 13.1@108mph. After I bought the car, minus the nitrous kit, i put back on a 2.5in ory and SLP sprialmouth & ran a 13.38@105.9mph on 245/50 nitto DRs w/20psi in em. IMHO, I think 1 5/8in shorties are ok for bolt-on only cars but if you do plan on doing a cam, H/C, boost, stroker, or larger shots of spray then definately get the LTs w/ 3in ory or true duals and you'll surely run better with the 1 3/4 LT's w/ a good tune!
Also as a referance, GMHTP Jan/03 (11 LT1 Bolt-on only car shootout the fastest car had Edelbrock shorties w/ ORP & flowmaster duals and ran 12.42@108.8mph & his best ET ever was a 12.34@109.7mph on bald BFG 275/40 17in DRs while the fastest car w/ LTs hit 106.6mph. Obviously this is just 1 example but I Think LT's might be best for a car running a cam, H/C, stroker, boost or larger shots of juice. Just my 2 cents
As far as Pacesetter LTs go, the ones on my 98 TA are holding up just fine after 1 year so i think they are a great budget LT hedder but thats only 1 example. Well thats all i have to say. Hope some of it helps and if some disagree then they have that right.