Is a Single Plain Intake Streetable?
Originally Posted by OutlawZ
Bret can you clue me in as to what the hell my engine builder is talking about when it comes to mounting the single plane to my LT4 227cc AFR's.... He says he wants to mod the heads instead of modding the intake to match up cause then more bolts will actually bolt the intake to the heads. Less chance for leaks. Are we having a communication problem or is that true. If you use good gaskets with the single plane Supervic or Vic E have you ever seen a problem with air leaks???? I never had an issue with my LT1 manifold bolted up.... What is the difference between the LT1 style intake to head bolt config and a standard SBC setup?????
The diff between a LT and a SBC (old school) is the bolts are at a different angle and spaced out a little wider. The LT is very similar to the newer style Vortec bolt pattern, but it's not the same.
Bret
So you drill new holes at the correct angles into the Super Vic and bam i'm good to go?????
And yeah I can't see having a leak problem if I"ve got like 12 bolts clamping the intake to the heads with a gasket in between.....
And yeah I can't see having a leak problem if I"ve got like 12 bolts clamping the intake to the heads with a gasket in between.....
bret what would it cost in total if I wanted to keep my 58mm tb and have the elbow, intake, machining and basically everything i need to bolt to a set of trick flows(the lt1 style).
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Verdad Gallardo okay cool. thanks guys. i see both of you went with the ls style tb.
any particular reason you chose that instead of the stock type tb?
are those victor jrs?
also where did you mount the map sensor?
are you running cowls to het those to fit under the hood?
is the single plane worthwhile on a mainly street driven car with stock port & polished heads and mild cam?
just curious because im saving up for my forged 383 build with a nitrous for the track. i was wondering if it would be a good idea to step up to one of these or if it wasn't worth it. currently i have a ported stocker.
any particular reason you chose that instead of the stock type tb?
are those victor jrs?
also where did you mount the map sensor?
are you running cowls to het those to fit under the hood?
is the single plane worthwhile on a mainly street driven car with stock port & polished heads and mild cam?
just curious because im saving up for my forged 383 build with a nitrous for the track. i was wondering if it would be a good idea to step up to one of these or if it wasn't worth it. currently i have a ported stocker.
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okay cool. thanks guys. i see both of you went with the ls style tb.
any particular reason you chose that instead of the stock type tb?
are those victor jrs?
also where did you mount the map sensor?
are you running cowls to het those to fit under the hood?
is the single plane worthwhile on a mainly street driven car with stock port & polished heads and mild cam?
just curious because im saving up for my forged 383 build with a nitrous for the track. i was wondering if it would be a good idea to step up to one of these or if it wasn't worth it. currently i have a ported stocker.
any particular reason you chose that instead of the stock type tb?
are those victor jrs?
also where did you mount the map sensor?
are you running cowls to het those to fit under the hood?
is the single plane worthwhile on a mainly street driven car with stock port & polished heads and mild cam?
just curious because im saving up for my forged 383 build with a nitrous for the track. i was wondering if it would be a good idea to step up to one of these or if it wasn't worth it. currently i have a ported stocker.
The intake is a Victor-E. There has been some discussion about it being the best choice, but since I'm "blowing" air thru it, I feel it will perform just fine.
The MAP sensor will just mount in the engine compartment where it is convenient.
The 90 degree elbow that I have is suppose to clear the vehicle's cowl and fit under the stock hood, but I have a sunoco style hood on order.
As far as when a single plane becomes necessary, well I suppose it is a matter of opinion as well, but in a NA application, you need to be moving a lot of air and/or high rpm's in order for the stock intake to start to be the bottleneck.
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Anyways, more to the point, I think you're running an A4 too right? It'd probably be better to run a 94+ system too so you can tune the line pressure as well. Unless you run an external box for a 4L60E, the 93's don't have that luxury
While we're on the thread of aftermarket intakes, why don't people who don't plan to rev insanely high, run a dual-plane for some lovely torque numbers? It seems everyone runs a single-plane. I asked this before but never really got an answer.
I was thinking about going single plane but I really wanted to use the LT1 style tb. Intake elbows doesn't make that kind of elbow anymore. Don't really need to go single plane since I'm not reving that high. I was going to go that route since it looked awesome and wouldn't hurt performance wise. Don't think I'm going to do it though because I'm going to stick with the stock PCM and I don't want any issues with using the LS style TB.
Tip in is when you are cruising along at 80 mph and you let off the gas because the bonehead in front of you is going 55 in the fast lane, when he moves over and you step back on the gas that moment is "tip in".
WHen you leave a stoplight, this is "tip in"
You get someone who can tune, you will have have no "tip in" issues.
My car drives amazingly well, I love it. I have AWESOME throttle response with big heads, big cam, big intake.
WHen I got mine from Intakeelbows.com, it had nothing in the "floor" of the elbow for the shortside radius. I mocked up a piece of manilla folder as to what I wanted and sent it back to Aaron and he welded a piece in. It seems to work well. Aaron has AWESOME customer service!
Here is a pic of my intake elbows.com elbow, shame he doesnt make them any longer.
David
Last edited by FASTFATBOY; Feb 6, 2008 at 08:23 AM.
Also Tip In with 90 mm Fab is Jack Rabbit starts from a dead stop, Reason being is that as an example when you give say 1/4 throttle to leave from a stop this would be equivalent to say 1/2 throttle with a 58mm T/B (exaggerated) so the car lurks forward, it is hard to take off in a smooth roll because of the amount of additional air the larger T/B is taken in, Make a little more sense now?
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Where would you connect all your Vacuum lines, map sensor, etc. to this type of intake? I'm just trying to figure out how complicated it will be, while still keeping it a street car.
Does anyone build a "turn-key" type of kit that will allow for all the extra stuff? So basically my installer up here won't have to "fab" anything up.
Does anyone build a "turn-key" type of kit that will allow for all the extra stuff? So basically my installer up here won't have to "fab" anything up.