LE2 vs Advanced Induction 190s
09-17-2006, 11:44 PM
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AI was great to me, I can't say enough about how polite and responsive they were. I have their 180cc package and I told Ron I wanted to go deep 12's. Hopefully she will with a little more tweaking. I haven't gotten it to the track yet, or put in my 30lb injectors and gears. Hopefully that will net me some extra gain.
09-18-2006, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Real life proof is at the track not the dyno, Lloyd and Bret will even tell you that.
Not everyone has a car setup for the track.
09-18-2006, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
I'm still suprised about flames emissions legal results. Emissions are a killer for making camshafts fit into a set of parameters that do not work for making power and he did.
As far as cam specs being secret..... well the cams don't even have to come with a cam card. Look at LGM and their new stuff, they don't even tell you the cam specs with the cam.
Bret
As far as cam specs being secret..... well the cams don't even have to come with a cam card. Look at LGM and their new stuff, they don't even tell you the cam specs with the cam.
Bret
I instaled a set of LE2 heads, custom emission cam, gasket matched intake opened for the 58mm TB, 30# SVO injectors, new opti, MSD wires, comp hi-tech pushrods, pro mag 1.6 RR. The previous mods were EWP, pulley, K&N with factory ramair, Pacesetter LT’s, 3” exhaust with cutout, OBD 1 conversion PCM.
The injectors probably wouldn't make it past a visual either.
I know an Ai car has passed CA smog with shorties and very few of the sporting mods that car has. It laid down 370s...
09-18-2006, 09:49 AM
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Emissions legal meaning if you have cats and put a sniffer in the exhaust pipe it's going to pass, that's the hardest thing to do is pass the sniffer. Ported heads and anything under the valve cover is going to be hard to find, but a cam pretty much determines if it's going to pass the sniffer or not.
Different states have different rules, and unless you are in the Socialist State of California you can pass if it doesn't throw codes and it doesn't have too much emissions out of the tailpipe. He seemed to pass his testing before with the highlighted items so I doubt he is having a problem now.
Bret
Different states have different rules, and unless you are in the Socialist State of California you can pass if it doesn't throw codes and it doesn't have too much emissions out of the tailpipe. He seemed to pass his testing before with the highlighted items so I doubt he is having a problem now.
Bret
09-18-2006, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RealQuick
If someone has a dyno sheet that shows a flat torque curve, it WILL run good at the track. The difference between running good and running great is suspension and gear...
Not everyone has a car setup for the track.
Not everyone has a car setup for the track.
09-18-2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RealQuick
If someone has a dyno sheet that shows a flat torque curve, it WILL run good at the track. The difference between running good and running great is suspension and gear...
Not everyone has a car setup for the track.
Not everyone has a car setup for the track.
09-18-2006, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Emissions legal meaning if you have cats and put a sniffer in the exhaust pipe it's going to pass, that's the hardest thing to do is pass the sniffer. Ported heads and anything under the valve cover is going to be hard to find, but a cam pretty much determines if it's going to pass the sniffer or not.
Different states have different rules, and unless you are in the Socialist State of California you can pass if it doesn't throw codes and it doesn't have too much emissions out of the tailpipe. He seemed to pass his testing before with the highlighted items so I doubt he is having a problem now.
Bret
Different states have different rules, and unless you are in the Socialist State of California you can pass if it doesn't throw codes and it doesn't have too much emissions out of the tailpipe. He seemed to pass his testing before with the highlighted items so I doubt he is having a problem now.
Bret
Emissions requirements have been the week link for many enthusiasts. Claiming that you have found a fix for this and that you can dyno nearly 400rwhp is a bit of a misnomer. It is good for selling cams and making them sound special, but his car is on the very verge of "emissions legal."
Your sales gimic is a bit unrealistic to those of us who have real tests like the 240. His car may barely fit into the category but you know that you're trying to sell it as something else or more than it is.
09-18-2006, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Tireburnin
That is just skirting the issue.
Emissions requirements have been the week link for many enthusiasts. Claiming that you have found a fix for this and that you can dyno nearly 400rwhp is a bit of a misnomer. It is good for selling cams and making them sound special, but his car is on the very verge of "emissions legal."
Your sales gimic is a bit unrealistic to those of us who have real tests like the 240. His car may barely fit into the category but you know that you're trying to sell it as something else or more than it is.
Emissions requirements have been the week link for many enthusiasts. Claiming that you have found a fix for this and that you can dyno nearly 400rwhp is a bit of a misnomer. It is good for selling cams and making them sound special, but his car is on the very verge of "emissions legal."
Your sales gimic is a bit unrealistic to those of us who have real tests like the 240. His car may barely fit into the category but you know that you're trying to sell it as something else or more than it is.
09-18-2006, 08:24 PM
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I did a lot of research before I purchased my LE2 setup. I talked to both AI on the phone/email and Lloyd as well. I decided to go with the Lloyd due to the overwhelming amount of satisfied customers (not saying there are not any satisfied AI customers). I could not find anything negative about Lloyd.
Everytime I spoke with Lloyd, he would sit on the phone with me for an hour just going over things. Imagine someone else doing that... Lloyd has to port the heads etc, and has a family as well. Managing that time and finding the time to talk to me late at night was a bid deciding factor.
Just please degree the cam though. I started a thread on that as I did not degree the cam, that was my fault.
I made 400 rwhp and 365 rwtq. I will be degreeing the cam this winter, and I will have a real world street tune done instead of a dyno tune. I cant really fork out the $450 for another tune so quickly. Then Ill take it to the track and see what she does.
I have a friend that is running the same setup as me. He is going to the track tomorrow so Ill have him post up his numbers.
Emissions: I did not initially pass emissions because the tune still had some codes left. The cats were taken off and the SES light kept coming back on after I disconnected the battery or remove the code. I now have the code removed and Im ready to go and pass emissions. Ill be doing that this week sometime, so Ill post up what I get my 'pass' paper.
Everytime I spoke with Lloyd, he would sit on the phone with me for an hour just going over things. Imagine someone else doing that... Lloyd has to port the heads etc, and has a family as well. Managing that time and finding the time to talk to me late at night was a bid deciding factor.
Just please degree the cam though. I started a thread on that as I did not degree the cam, that was my fault.
I made 400 rwhp and 365 rwtq. I will be degreeing the cam this winter, and I will have a real world street tune done instead of a dyno tune. I cant really fork out the $450 for another tune so quickly. Then Ill take it to the track and see what she does.
I have a friend that is running the same setup as me. He is going to the track tomorrow so Ill have him post up his numbers.
Emissions: I did not initially pass emissions because the tune still had some codes left. The cats were taken off and the SES light kept coming back on after I disconnected the battery or remove the code. I now have the code removed and Im ready to go and pass emissions. Ill be doing that this week sometime, so Ill post up what I get my 'pass' paper.
09-18-2006, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tireburnin
That is just skirting the issue.
Emissions requirements have been the week link for many enthusiasts. Claiming that you have found a fix for this and that you can dyno nearly 400rwhp is a bit of a misnomer. It is good for selling cams and making them sound special, but his car is on the very verge of "emissions legal."
Your sales gimic is a bit unrealistic to those of us who have real tests like the 240. His car may barely fit into the category but you know that you're trying to sell it as something else or more than it is.
Emissions requirements have been the week link for many enthusiasts. Claiming that you have found a fix for this and that you can dyno nearly 400rwhp is a bit of a misnomer. It is good for selling cams and making them sound special, but his car is on the very verge of "emissions legal."
Your sales gimic is a bit unrealistic to those of us who have real tests like the 240. His car may barely fit into the category but you know that you're trying to sell it as something else or more than it is.
If Brett and Lloyd can design a head cam system that will pass a sniffer test, thats all that is required. The rest of the cars set up is the responsibility of the owner. If someone throws on the heads and cam, runs open headers with no cat and has non emissions headers with no AIR or EGR system running and 4 DTC's, it's not the fault of the people that designed the cam. It's teh fault of the owner. Common sense tells you that in order to pass emissions, you need to be compliant to your states regulations. It's not Brett's and Lloyds Job to hold your hand while doing so.
They give you the parts, what you do with them is your own responsibility
09-19-2006, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by flame
Guys like you crack me up. First you quote me from another site instead of asking about my package. Then you take a blow at the cam specifier. Its no wonder guys don't post their good results and all we keep reading are ones that are having trouble getting the power out of their cars. When we decide to modify our cars we have to find the fine line between power and emissions. I beleive I have found the line.
Maybe you could post what your car belted out on the smog dyno to show how well it did? I'd be curious to see what it blew and what test was used.
Your car dyno's great! Many LE customers are more than happy with thier dyno results for what they've spent. Enjoy the car.
09-19-2006, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scrmnws6
Emissions: I did not initially pass emissions because the tune still had some codes left. The cats were taken off and the SES light kept coming back on after I disconnected the battery or remove the code. I now have the code removed and Im ready to go and pass emissions. Ill be doing that this week sometime, so Ill post up what I get my 'pass' paper.
09-19-2006, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by flame
First you quote me from another site instead of asking about my package.
09-19-2006, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RealQuick
Put a cat back on or your not gonna pass again.
Another "LE head/Bret cam" user here. I was extremely satisfied with their customer service/support, though I haven't gotten the engine running yet in order to put their feet to the fire. (Oddly, it appears that an engine needs functioning injectors before it'll fire up... thanks Versafueler!)
I'll be sure to post my results once I get there -- it's been an incredibly long road.
09-19-2006, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Honda Hunter
Please tell us more about your package. How would you describe your package? Have you ever shown your package to anyone else if so what did the say about it? Has anyone ever told you theyve seen better packages elsewhere?