Building Cam-only race car
Originally Posted by slick1851
This isnt the case, do you even know about stock eliminator cars?
Look them up
Theres a member selling his 140K Z28 making around 420whp cam only right now
Look them up
Theres a member selling his 140K Z28 making around 420whp cam only right now
If you're determined to get the absolute most power out of your setup with just a cam, then I'm sure you could do well. But most people are not that serious about it. Gizmo, when you're talking about "most lt1 guys" the majority are the more casual modders (same with ls1 guys), they just want a cam that will give them some more power, make their car more fun to drive, etc. These people can hit 400+ on the ls1 quite easily without even making that their goal, but that is a much taller order with the lt1 without doing the heads too.
Agreed, not saying they're not nice, just secretive in their combos. 
I've actually never seen a Stock Eliminator LT1 in person nor talked to anyone who's ever owned one. Just going by what I've heard from other stock eliminator racers in general.
Lots of tricks including shortblock tricks to get those things to run the way they do.
I've actually never seen a Stock Eliminator LT1 in person nor talked to anyone who's ever owned one. Just going by what I've heard from other stock eliminator racers in general.
Lots of tricks including shortblock tricks to get those things to run the way they do.
FlashLCD33,
The best thing that you can do is to spend some time on the telephone with a couple of cam companies. Decide what you performance goals and limits are before you call. Once you select the right cam get their recomendations for stall and gear selection. I usually write down all of my questions before I call so that I don't forget anything. Build a good car and you can go fast cam only. Just remember that the more compromises you make the slower you will be. Feel free to PM me.
Good Luck,
Daren
The best thing that you can do is to spend some time on the telephone with a couple of cam companies. Decide what you performance goals and limits are before you call. Once you select the right cam get their recomendations for stall and gear selection. I usually write down all of my questions before I call so that I don't forget anything. Build a good car and you can go fast cam only. Just remember that the more compromises you make the slower you will be. Feel free to PM me.
Good Luck,
Daren
Originally Posted by infinitebird
Interesting, no hadn't heard of that, but even so that's quite rare to see.
Originally Posted by GIZMO
There were over eighty ten second LT1 Stock Eliminator cars at NHRA events last year.
I was talking more about stock engine guys. Most of those are strokers with huge slicks, tiny gears, 5000+ stall, complete race suspension, open headers, etc etc.
Not many people with regularly driven street cars are looking to do that kind of setup. And most people doing a stroker will just do the heads with that anyway.
For a stock bottom end cars with boltons and cam, its very easy to do 400+ with a cam only ls1, on the lt1, yeah you can come close but it takes a much more well thought out setup than most people know how to put together.
Last edited by infinitebird; May 2, 2007 at 05:55 PM.
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Im not caught up in dyno numbers, but im more info track times and what the car does
But having a nice dyno number isnt bad either..
Like I said, what companys should we contact? Info numbers,web site?
But having a nice dyno number isnt bad either..
Like I said, what companys should we contact? Info numbers,web site?
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Originally Posted by infinitebird
I was talking more about stock engine guys. Most of those are strokers with huge slicks, tiny gears, 5000+ stall, complete race suspension, open headers, etc etc.
Not many people with regularly driven street cars are looking to do that kind of setup. And most people doing a stroker will just do the heads with that anyway.
Not many people with regularly driven street cars are looking to do that kind of setup. And most people doing a stroker will just do the heads with that anyway.
Dyno's are good for tuning and not much else. Unless, you are changing parts during the dyno session.
As far as all of your other statements go, you need to read the title of this thread again and FlashLCD33's original post. I could be wrong, but it reads like he wants a Hot Rod not an average every day LT1 street car.
Take Care,
Daren
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http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=518409
Ha
Look at what these guys are telling me in this thread..
Ha
Look at what these guys are telling me in this thread..
Originally Posted by GIZMO
Stock Eliminator motors are allowed a stroke of + .015 max. That is 1.6 ci on a 4.060 bore. Hardly a stroker motor!
Originally Posted by GIZMO
As far as all of your other statements go, you need to read the title of this thread again and FlashLCD33's original post. I could be wrong, but it reads like he wants a Hot Rod not an average every day LT1 street car.
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Well look at the LS1 guys
People really are daily driving with a T-rex! Would I do it? NO!
But like the other guys, this is a weekend/ not everyday car so there is nothing wrong with that...
Hot cam cars arent fast, and the other same cams that LT1 people seem to think thats all thats out there..
Trust me, the LT1 has more in it, but people like sales pitchs
People really are daily driving with a T-rex! Would I do it? NO!
But like the other guys, this is a weekend/ not everyday car so there is nothing wrong with that...
Hot cam cars arent fast, and the other same cams that LT1 people seem to think thats all thats out there..
Trust me, the LT1 has more in it, but people like sales pitchs
Originally Posted by slick1851
You seem to not have alot of info to share of the subject, not telling you to stop posting or your wrong, but were here to share things since not alot of people are doing this
I think it's totally cool that people can do it, and by all means share any info you have on how it can be done. I'm as interested as anyone else.
Originally Posted by slick1851
Hot cam cars arent fast, and the other same cams that LT1 people seem to think thats all thats out there..
ok ill shut up now.
Originally Posted by slick1851
Gizmo can you PM me with advice on your setup?
My first F-Body was a 1995 Formula with AC-delete as the only option. I still have it and the clock registers 000186 miles.
I paid $18,000.00 for it at the dealer and spent $12,000.00 in mods to run 11.3's at approx. 3250 lbs.
The cam was a Lunati grind # RRA1-RL-WJ (WJ stands for Woodro Josey). I used the springs that Lunati supplied.
I installed Accel gen VI DFI. Accell 300+ ignition and 8mm wires.
Centerline wheels and hoosier tires (skinnies and 9" x 30" slicks).
TCI competition TH-350 with forward manual valve body (4400-4800 stall).
12-bolt rear with 4.88 gears.
Aftermarket external fuel pump, filter, regulator, and AN lines (stock injectors).
Competition Engineering "Lift Bars" and sub frame connectors.
Headman headers (open).
Mark Williams moly drive shaft.
S & W six point roll bar and aftermarket harness.
And that's pretty much it. I overheard Woodro telling his wife that it was a street car. Looking back, I would say he was right because my new car is nowhere near as tame! (or as cheap!!)
I want the car to be ridiculous as a street car, and fast down the track. I DD a 96 SS and when it's bad out, I have a Jeep. This car will NOT be a DD and only be taken out when I feel like having some fun. Once the car is delivered, I will start calling on cams. Only downfall is I'd like to be able to drive it to the track, which is an hour away. I'd like to stay with 3.73-4.10 gears, so there is my sacrifice I guess. It is highways the whole way with 65mph roads so I won't be messing with traffic like I would on interstate.
Originally Posted by FlashLCD33
I want the car to be ridiculous as a street car, and fast down the track.
You will invest atleast double in a LT1 to run with that LS2 when it's done. That's just how it is..
Originally Posted by the_merv
Reason why I am dropping in a 402ci LS2 Stroker with the current best bang for your buck setup on the market right now..
You will invest atleast double in a LT1 to run with that LS2 when it's done. That's just how it is..
You will invest atleast double in a LT1 to run with that LS2 when it's done. That's just how it is..