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cam help i am now looking at doing a MILD cam swap. i dont want anything big at all, just a little bigger than stock. the reason for this is that 1) i have manifolds so a big cam isnt gonna help too much 2) i would like to use my stock springs and rockers for now, and 3) i would like to keep a little low end torque. this is kind of an odd cam selection because most guys want to throw the biggest thing in there they can, but i would like to throw about the smallest thing in there that i can, but bigger than stock. im thinking maybe not much lift but a little more duration will help keep my stock springs alive. i also dont want to rev any higher than i was before (5800). any ideas or is this a stupid idea in the first place?
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Originally Posted by LT1Falcon
i am now looking at doing a MILD cam swap. i dont want anything big at all, just a little bigger than stock. the reason for this is that 1) i have manifolds so a big cam isnt gonna help too much 2) i would like to use my stock springs and rockers for now, and 3) i would like to keep a little low end torque. this is kind of an odd cam selection because most guys want to throw the biggest thing in there they can, but i would like to throw about the smallest thing in there that i can, but bigger than stock. im thinking maybe not much lift but a little more duration will help keep my stock springs alive. i also dont want to rev any higher than i was before (5800). any ideas or is this a stupid idea in the first place?
If you are willing to spend that kind of money, you can get some significant gains.You would need to have a custom cam and valvetrain parts done for you. There is a short list of folks that I know that could help you. This isn't the place to look for them, however.
I had the crane 227 cam in my car and it drove like stock, but it ran hard as hell for how small the cam was. You will need new springs on any cam you put in other than the stock once since the stock springs are barley good enough for the stock cam. The crane 227 + new springs and a mail order tune would give you a decent gain. Some 1.6 rockers would definatly help you out even though stock ones will work with that cam.
I forgot to add, I'de also call up speed inc they have a cam called the "caddilac" cam that is made for cars just like yours with stock exhaust manifolds that will idle and drive like stock.
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i would like to use my stock springs and rockers for now
It amazes me how many people still don't know this.
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Lazy stock lobes. Springs are not just about lift. Really with 1.6 rockers on a stock cam people SHOULD step up to LT4 springs.
The only cam I can think of that might gain you lowend and would work with stock springs would be a stock b-body cam, but I really do not think it worth the effort.
The only cam I can think of that might gain you lowend and would work with stock springs would be a stock b-body cam, but I really do not think it worth the effort.
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Originally Posted by fast
I've run 1.6 gmpp rockers w/ stock springs (for several years actually)
my fave small cam is the LPE 211/219 but it does require a spring swap
my fave small cam is the LPE 211/219 but it does require a spring swap
what is the best way to get LT4 springs? ive looked at their website but couldnt find them
5800? LMAO iirc 6200
I don't remember what we had the shift points set at
car ran low 12s all day long and went on many long trips w/o problem
I bought a set of LT4 springs and just never put em in
I don't remember what we had the shift points set at
car ran low 12s all day long and went on many long trips w/o problem
I bought a set of LT4 springs and just never put em in
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Darn.
I was hoping someone would talk you into the LT4 hot cam kit -- $570 at Summit Racing. Includes the valve springs as well as 1.6:1 roller rockers. It's advertised as 218° intake, 228° exhaust at .050 lift with 112° lobe separation, total lift of .525" intake and exhaust. Compares to 202°/207°, 116°LSA and .450".460" lift for the stock F-body pieces. That sounds to me like enough differences to cause some significant improvements in performance. (It's also something I'd like to do on my lump but getting the darn thing on the road is going to come first...)
I acknowledge, and appreciate, that some on this board (hi, Dwayne!) don't care for the LT4 hot cam but I'm thinking as a basis for a mild street setup it would be a good start and with everything but gaskets etc for one price it's not too spendy, imho.
You'll definitely need to upgrade your tune for this much of a change.
OTOH I'm curious what's keeping you from getting rid of those iron exhaust manifolds in favor of some headers; it's one of the more basic mods and something you'll definitely want to do before you get into serious improvements.
Note I speak not from experience but from my internet research. I encourage others to quarrel with my reasoning, here.
Cheers -- Gary
I was hoping someone would talk you into the LT4 hot cam kit -- $570 at Summit Racing. Includes the valve springs as well as 1.6:1 roller rockers. It's advertised as 218° intake, 228° exhaust at .050 lift with 112° lobe separation, total lift of .525" intake and exhaust. Compares to 202°/207°, 116°LSA and .450".460" lift for the stock F-body pieces. That sounds to me like enough differences to cause some significant improvements in performance. (It's also something I'd like to do on my lump but getting the darn thing on the road is going to come first...)
I acknowledge, and appreciate, that some on this board (hi, Dwayne!) don't care for the LT4 hot cam but I'm thinking as a basis for a mild street setup it would be a good start and with everything but gaskets etc for one price it's not too spendy, imho.
You'll definitely need to upgrade your tune for this much of a change.
OTOH I'm curious what's keeping you from getting rid of those iron exhaust manifolds in favor of some headers; it's one of the more basic mods and something you'll definitely want to do before you get into serious improvements.
Note I speak not from experience but from my internet research. I encourage others to quarrel with my reasoning, here.
Cheers -- Gary
I was wondering if any of the shortie headers would clear your strut towers (falcon like an early stang in suspension design?) also
looks awful cramped in the sig pic
looks awful cramped in the sig pic
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yea trust me if i could get headers to work i would. however, it would be almost imposible, and if it is, the only option is customs. even then they would not be equal length or nothing like that, more like a tri y configuration. plus it makes the motor look it came in that model so for now im sticking with manifolds.
so for now im sticking with manifolds.
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Darn.
I was hoping someone would talk you into the LT4 hot cam kit -- $570 at Summit Racing. Includes the valve springs as well as 1.6:1 roller rockers. It's advertised as 218° intake, 228° exhaust at .050 lift with 112° lobe separation, total lift of .525" intake and exhaust. Compares to 202°/207°, 116°LSA and .450".460" lift for the stock F-body pieces. That sounds to me like enough differences to cause some significant improvements in performance. (It's also something I'd like to do on my lump but getting the darn thing on the road is going to come first...)
I acknowledge, and appreciate, that some on this board (hi, Dwayne!) don't care for the LT4 hot cam but I'm thinking as a basis for a mild street setup it would be a good start and with everything but gaskets etc for one price it's not too spendy, imho.
You'll definitely need to upgrade your tune for this much of a change.
OTOH I'm curious what's keeping you from getting rid of those iron exhaust manifolds in favor of some headers; it's one of the more basic mods and something you'll definitely want to do before you get into serious improvements.
Note I speak not from experience but from my internet research. I encourage others to quarrel with my reasoning, here.
Cheers -- Gary
I was hoping someone would talk you into the LT4 hot cam kit -- $570 at Summit Racing. Includes the valve springs as well as 1.6:1 roller rockers. It's advertised as 218° intake, 228° exhaust at .050 lift with 112° lobe separation, total lift of .525" intake and exhaust. Compares to 202°/207°, 116°LSA and .450".460" lift for the stock F-body pieces. That sounds to me like enough differences to cause some significant improvements in performance. (It's also something I'd like to do on my lump but getting the darn thing on the road is going to come first...)
I acknowledge, and appreciate, that some on this board (hi, Dwayne!) don't care for the LT4 hot cam but I'm thinking as a basis for a mild street setup it would be a good start and with everything but gaskets etc for one price it's not too spendy, imho.
You'll definitely need to upgrade your tune for this much of a change.
OTOH I'm curious what's keeping you from getting rid of those iron exhaust manifolds in favor of some headers; it's one of the more basic mods and something you'll definitely want to do before you get into serious improvements.
Note I speak not from experience but from my internet research. I encourage others to quarrel with my reasoning, here.
Cheers -- Gary
Even besides my opinion on the HOT cam the springs in that kit are suitable for the LT4's light weight valves but not for the LT1 heavier valves, yes guys use it and swear those springs are fine but then again if they knew what they were doing they would have probably made a different choice to start. That cam is also going to have to rev MUCH higher than he wants too.
If we can talk you into springs the Crane 210/224 or the little Lingenfelter cam mentioned would be my top two recommendations and even then you should probably move that self imposed rev limit up a little.
Maybe a little late with the engine in that and sounding as tight as it is but you can see a little gain from porting the manifolds. Just keep it reasonable and don't make them thin.
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Even besides my opinion on the HOT cam the springs in that kit are suitable for the LT4's light weight valves but not for the LT1 heavier valves, yes guys use it and swear those springs are fine but then again if they knew what they were doing they would have probably made a different choice to start. That cam is also going to have to rev MUCH higher than he wants too.
If we can talk you into springs the Crane 210/224 or the little Lingenfelter cam mentioned would be my top two recommendations and even then you should probably move that self imposed rev limit up a little.
Maybe a little late with the engine in that and sounding as tight as it is but you can see a little gain from porting the manifolds. Just keep it reasonable and don't make them thin.
If we can talk you into springs the Crane 210/224 or the little Lingenfelter cam mentioned would be my top two recommendations and even then you should probably move that self imposed rev limit up a little.
Maybe a little late with the engine in that and sounding as tight as it is but you can see a little gain from porting the manifolds. Just keep it reasonable and don't make them thin.
No the HOT still needs to rev higher yet. and like I said the springs are NOT enough that come in the kit.
If you want to do this cheap maybe consider keeping the stock cam but giving it some 1.6 roller rockers and LT4 springs, that they will work fine for.
There are a lot of guys out there giving up ET to weak springs and not even knowing it, sometimes power just starts to fall off a little too soon, not a sudden and obvious problem that anyone would catch.
If you want to do this cheap maybe consider keeping the stock cam but giving it some 1.6 roller rockers and LT4 springs, that they will work fine for.
There are a lot of guys out there giving up ET to weak springs and not even knowing it, sometimes power just starts to fall off a little too soon, not a sudden and obvious problem that anyone would catch.
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
No the HOT still needs to rev higher yet. and like I said the springs are NOT enough that come in the kit.
If you want to do this cheap maybe consider keeping the stock cam but giving it some 1.6 roller rockers and LT4 springs, that they will work fine for.
There are a lot of guys out there giving up ET to weak springs and not even knowing it, sometimes power just starts to fall off a little too soon, not a sudden and obvious problem that anyone would catch.
If you want to do this cheap maybe consider keeping the stock cam but giving it some 1.6 roller rockers and LT4 springs, that they will work fine for.
There are a lot of guys out there giving up ET to weak springs and not even knowing it, sometimes power just starts to fall off a little too soon, not a sudden and obvious problem that anyone would catch.
Somewhere on this forum there is a good part numbers list and the part numbers for just the springs and retainers are there. They are suprizingly cheap.
Honestly just springs would probably have it make more topend power and yes the 1.6s would have a slight positive effect there as well.
Honestly just springs would probably have it make more topend power and yes the 1.6s would have a slight positive effect there as well.
