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Old 05-26-2008, 12:29 PM
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anyone have a part #.
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Originally Posted by lt1taracing
anyone have a part #.
http://www.dartheads.com/products/sb...ro1-heads.html
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from what i looked up on part # 11111112L, they flow 254/ 190 @.600. the new edlebrock lt1/lt4 heads #61939 flow 270/190 @ .600.
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Originally Posted by lt1taracing
from what i looked up on part # 11111112L, they flow 254/ 190 @.600. the new edlebrock lt1/lt4 heads #61939 flow 270/190 @ .600.
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Just to be clear the above pictured stuff from roadtrip is NOT Advanced Induction.

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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Just to be clear the above pictured stuff is NOT Advanced Induction.
Could you be a bit more specific? The understanding is that those are the
Dart1 heads, CNC'd by Ai. Are you suggesting that those are Dart1 heads
merely resold by Ai, without any machining?
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Originally Posted by Turnin20s
Sorry to bring back an older post, but Roadtrip that is a nasty looking setup. Please PM me some details if you don't want to post them on here

What did you want to know about the setup?

383 LT4 block, half filled 11.1 compression
Eagle crank and rods, Diamond custom pistons for nitrous
Total seal rings
Cometic head gaskets
ARP head, main, engine bolt kit
Solid Roller designed by Bret
Comp solid lifters
Manton 7/16 Pushrods
Dart Pro 1 Heads, CNCed by Bret (332 cfm)
Single Plane Intake, w/ carbon fiber lifter valley shield by Bret
Wilson Elbow and 90mm TB
T&D Shaft mount rockers, 1.5 & 1.6
Kooks 1-7/8 3.5 Headers
85mm SLP MAF
LS1 Lid conversion
Wysco Valve covers
Opti ( for now, lol)
LS1 McLeod Twin disk
LS1 t56 conversion, viper input and output convesion ( about to be Faceplated)
McLeod LS1 SFI bell housing
3.5 Aluminum Drive shaft
Moser 9", narrowed 6" 4.11 gears Micronited, 35 spline axles gun drilled star flanged, aluminum center section
Madman Torque Arm
Madman offset rear LCA
Madman SYAB
Madman travel limiters
Madman manual rack and pinion
BMR K-member
BMR LCA
BMR SFC
AFCO double adjustable shocks all the way around
Strange Brakes all the way around
Billingsley Strange Manual Brake Booster
10 pt Wolfe Cage
Wolfe Window net
Kirkey's race seat
Nitrous Outlet Dual stage gemi plate kit 200/100
FJO Progressive controller
Racetronix Lt1 kit with walbro 340 pump
-6 Feed hose and -6 return
Areomotive FPR
Edelbrock fuel rails
SVO 42 lb green top injectors
Harris Speed Works Stand alone
NANO 15lb completion kit
MSD 6 plus ignition box, with timing retard and two step
15x10 and 15x3 Aluma Star's
28x10.5W ET drag, and Et fronts
HVAC delete
power steering delete
Dr & pass air bag delete, Grant Steering wheel
Gm carpet and Sony cd player sill in for now, lol
VFN 3" SS hood
Z was repainted blue back in 2005
Mail order tuned by Moe Bailey

Won the NA class at the LTX shootout 5 days after in was running, and took 2nd against Taner in the 6spd class
11.221@126.01 1.78 , slow shifting 4th, 11.5 A/F


Thats most of it

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Originally Posted by caldercay
Could you be a bit more specific? The understanding is that those are the
Dart1 heads, CNC'd by Ai. Are you suggesting that those are Dart1 heads
merely resold by Ai, without any machining?
I am saying the actual pictures in this thread that roadtrip posted are not AI heads.

Now that I look at it my post did not completely quote your post hence the confusion. I will edit my old post for clarity.
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Just to be clear the above pictured stuff is NOT Advanced Induction.
LOL! For once we agree, Dwayne.

Roadtrip's heads ( as pictured in post #19 above) are Darts CNC'd and dressed out by T4P, definitely NOT AI.


Jon
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Well roadtrip that was way more than I needed, but I guess I didn't clarify. You have an absolutely badass setup, congrats on the shootout. I meant the heads and intake setup, is the intake an off the shelf item minus the carbon fiber inlay? Or is it modified with the front cut off and welded in? It just looks too clean to be welded up. The only reason that I ask is I have a plan for a turbo setup with a single plane conversion and yours is one of the best looking setups that I have seen.

Again thanks alot for all of your specs I appreciate it
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The coolant cross is over is deleted, Bret did it in a way that it looks cast like the rest of the intake from Edelbrock.

Thanks

Brady
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Originally Posted by roadtrip120
The coolant cross is over is deleted, Bret did it in a way that it looks cast like the rest of the intake from Edelbrock.

Thanks

Brady
Thats absolutely insane man, kinda made me wonder haha I guess I'll have to be in touch with Bret in the future. Thanks for the reply and what times are you hoping for the car?
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roadtrip:

has it been on the dyno yet??? if so what did it make, or what do you think it is making at the wheels?
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No problem glad to help

I am hoping to run what Taner's car runs ( 10.5 at 130mph), granted he has a 399 vs my 383 but i have 100lbs on him.
Time will only tell ,but its something to work for.

As far as dyno, no i have not. I just got my 35 spline gun drilled and star flanged axle's, 35 spline steel spool and aluminum center section in today. I trashed the 31 splines and trutrac at the race. I need to buy the new aluma star rear wheels and tires and get a tune. A/F at the race was 11.5... I went 126mph at 99mph in the 8th, two runs prior i went 102mph in the 8th but missed 4th. A faced plated gear set is on order from Six Speeds Inc. to fix that problem. T-56's dont like to shift past 7K very fast, lol.. Plus dropping the weight of the pro star's and 37lb DR's to full drag's and aluma star's thats 36lb's of rotating weight. As the car sits it has 129mph in it, without changing the tune.


Only time will tell, till then throw more money at it.
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Ordering my set in less than 5 days (=
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Thats badass roadtrip, I saw your post where you annilated your rear end parts. But I guess thats how it goes right?? I'm glad that you are happy with the heads, it seems like everytone is talking them down since there are only a handful of people using them right now, but you have the best set right now IMHO. I was thinking of ordering the bare castings and using all of the parts from my LE3s and having the darts ported, but that will have to be down the road a bit. If you don't mind me asking what did the heads run you without the intake? I mean buying the heads, having bret port and assemble with his parts, then shipped to you? I thought I saw him mention ~$3k on a different forum, but wasn't sure what it was for

Thanks again man, I really appreciate the help and information

1badzee if its possible could you get a before and after dyno pull? That would be kickass and hopefully put an end to everyone saying that they are no better than the stockers. I know the guy here that does dynos charges $105 for 3 or 5 pulls. Mabye you could work something out with the shop and do 2 shock pulls and 2 or 3 Pro 1 pulls to get your tuning right.

Good luck with the purchase
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Heads from Bret were around 3,000.00 Everything was added all together cam , lifters, intake, tb and elbow, shipping labor, cnc work.

I think that is what he is selling them for, have to ask Bret for sure.
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Originally Posted by Turnin20s
1badzee if its possible could you get a before and after dyno pull? That would be kickass and hopefully put an end to everyone saying that they are no better than the stockers.
Hey no problem. I already dyno'd at 337whp and i believe around 352wtq(cant remember for sure, ill have to pull up the dyno sheet) with bolt ons and hotcam (stock heads and everything).. so I'll let you guys know what she puts down with the "as-cast" DARTs. I'm not expecting a big difference but anything helps (= plus i am planning on going turbo in a year or so, so this investment will help out in the longrun
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Originally Posted by 1badzee
Hey no problem. I already dyno'd at 337whp and i believe around 352wtq(cant remember for sure, ill have to pull up the dyno sheet) with bolt ons and hotcam (stock heads and everything).. so I'll let you guys know what she puts down with the "as-cast" DARTs. I'm not expecting a big difference but anything helps (= plus i am planning on going turbo in a year or so, so this investment will help out in the longrun
Nice man, I didn't know that you had it dynoed already. How soon are you planning on having the heads installed? I'll find out this weekend if I toasted my LE3s and if I did I'll be giving bret a call to see what we can work out.

Thanks again Roadtrip and $3K really isn't that bad if you think about all the work that went into those parts. If my LE3s ended up dying I'll be sure to let bret know that I was convinced by your setup. I'm hoping my heads are still good, but these would be a nice upgrade
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Originally Posted by Turnin20s
Nice man, I didn't know that you had it dynoed already. How soon are you planning on having the heads installed? I'll find out this weekend if I toasted my LE3s and if I did I'll be giving bret a call to see what we can work out.

Thanks again Roadtrip and $3K really isn't that bad if you think about all the work that went into those parts. If my LE3s ended up dying I'll be sure to let bret know that I was convinced by your setup. I'm hoping my heads are still good, but these would be a nice upgrade
Ordering them this coming up sinday or monday.. should take a few days to get here, and when they do, it's go-time.


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