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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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First off I have a couple leaks coming from the front of the motor so to fix them I need to disassemble a good amount of things and I figure I would be more than half way there for tossing another cam in. My current cam and valvetrain was all installed by a sponsor here so this would be my first time doing so and the valvetrain will not need to be replaced. I have talked to a custom cam grinder and have a real nice idea of a cam I would like to toss in there. I have been looking at cam writeups but I am confused by two things sry if they are dumb questions: Why would I need to take the intake manifold off? and Why would I need to drop the oil pan? or do I just disconnect the front of the pan?
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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you will need to take the intake off to get at the lifters, you cannot take the cam out with the lifters in, and if by some miracle you were able to (which you wouldnt) they'd just fall down into the crank case anyway lol. you will also need to remove your valve covers, take off the rockers, and pull out the pushrods before even getting to the lifters. as far as the oil pan- you only need to drop it about 1/2'' b/c there is an inner lip on the timing cover that will prevent you from getting it off without deystroying the oil pan/lower timing gasket. the bolts are all easy its WAY worse than it sounds, you need to get the first 2-3 from the front of the engine and then come behind the back and get the remaining ones BUT MAKE SURE to leave the very last 2 on the back of the oil pan IN. then it will drop enough to get that lip over the gasket. you must do this other wise you will NOT be able to take it off w/o completely deystroying the gasket, believe me i just tried lol. doing a cam swap will also require removal of the alternator, radiator, a/c condenser(makes things 100x easier just get it recharged) and basically EVERYTHING in front of the engine and on top. its a really involved process and is by no means something i would advise unless your pretty good with engines and such. if i think of anything else i'll post it, your welcome to pm me if you have anymore questions, I'm currently doing the same thing (check my sig).
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 10:29 AM
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Great info ProBuilt7, that pretty much covers it in a nutshell. But most of all just take your time and dont rush anything cuz that's when **** happens. Any ballpark specs on the cam your considering, cuz thatcc503 is already pretty impressive on stock heads?
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Here are some pics so you can get an idea of where you'll need to be.
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by street demon2k3
Great info ProBuilt7, that pretty much covers it in a nutshell. But most of all just take your time and dont rush anything cuz that's when **** happens. Any ballpark specs on the cam your considering, cuz thatcc503 is already pretty impressive on stock heads?
thanks bro, and ya dude- W/E you do MAKE SURE you take your time b/c one tiny little F up like say dropping a rocker nut down the lifter guide will end up costing you major time and money.. ie. having to pull the motor. or say stripping out something somewhere. ive been lucky so far (knock on wood)
and ya a cam swap is a big deal on these cars its no one weekend thing unless your REALLY good. take your time, have another mode of transportation in case something goes wrong and you need to get to school/work . but most of all have fun man b/c for me at least doing stuff like this is where 75% of fun is b/c everone knows it'll be sweet for the first 200 miles and then you'll get used to it and want more HAHAHA

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You can do it its not that hard. I did mine without taking off the intake and did not drop any lifters.
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-modifications/836200-stock-head-cam-cam-swap-guide.html

lol sorry i just had to do it...
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Pro_built7,

Do you mind sharing your technique for gasket removal as well as your use of sealants, especially for the front cover? And was the gasket glued to either the front cover or the block? Also, any tips for keeping gasket remnants out of the engine when cleaning up the intake surfaces?

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Pro_built7,

Do you mind sharing your technique for gasket removal as well as your use of sealants, especially for the front cover? And was the gasket glued to either the front cover or the block? Also, any tips for keeping gasket remnants out of the engine when cleaning up the intake surfaces?

Many thanks, in advance.

Cheers -- Gary
as far as gasket removal it wasn't that bad, the intake (on head) gaskets just popped right off they were oem, and the factory seemed to have used some rtv on the front and rear that just peeled right off in one piece. i would suggest cleaning around the top of the intake before taking it off that way no debris falls in. and if you notice debris stuff a towel in the valley and jsut remove it slowly.the front cover gasket was stuck to the block so what i did was plugged up the holes and stuffed a clean shop towel in the front of the oil pan then went to town scraping off the old water pump, and timing cover gaskets off the block. then remove the paper towels slowly (do the top water ports first) and thats pretty much it really, i had a lower timing leak and had to clean up the oil around the bottom gasket which was a pain but none of this was really that bad. It's going to be hard to keep it all out just try your best, you will end up picking some stuff out of the engine with your fingers, theres no way around it. before I put everything back toegether i plan on meticulously getting every pesky speck out. oh and what i'm going to use is this "loctite" gasket sealer I got from Ford. (lol) its what they use in the factory, i've used it before works great. I've also used RTV black with success and from what I've read on here "The Right Stuff" is supposed to be good (but its' 14$ a bottle at autozone)

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dude he wasn't asking about a cam, he was asking about details on the actual cam swap itself.
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FSTLS1
You can do it its not that hard. I did mine without taking off the intake and did not drop any lifters.
Maybe you haven't noticed but this is the LT1 section lol

Changing the cam is different on an ls1, since you access the lifters from the heads. You have to pull the intake to do it on the lt1.
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Originally Posted by street demon2k3
Great info ProBuilt7, that pretty much covers it in a nutshell. But most of all just take your time and dont rush anything cuz that's when **** happens. Any ballpark specs on the cam your considering, cuz thatcc503 is already pretty impressive on stock heads?
I dont know exact specs until I order it obviously but it would be very similar duration wise to the 503, little more lift, and a much tighter lobe separation. I could expect maybe 10-15 more hp and and an idle in the gm847 territory. It would be tailored to my 3600 stall and 3.73's and desired 6400rpm shiftpoint which the cc503 is already a perfect match so extremely similar. Only reason I would be swapping the cam is because I have to tear apart the whole front of the motor practically and I kind of want to swap to NSA RR's and guideplates because Im worried about my clearance with my Magnum SA's and my 10308-1 Springs otherwise I wouldnt even bother Im very happy with the cc503.

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Originally Posted by LT1MAN
do you think the 847 would be a good choice? I dont want to rev past 5800 and I want a ton of bottom end.
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Originally Posted by StealthFormula
do you think the 847 would be a good choice? I dont want to rev past 5800 and I want a ton of bottom end.
the 847 is too small for that. you need to be thinking way larger, maybe something like a SR 25x/26x setup.
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i would recommend a big block cam.

lol sorry man i had to link you to your sticky about cams, i guess it was only funny to me. i thought it was odd you asking anything about cams/installation of them since you did that excellent write up.
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Originally Posted by LT1MAN
i would recommend a big block cam.

lol sorry man i had to link you to your sticky about cams, i guess it was only funny to me. i thought it was odd you asking anything about cams/installation of them since you did that excellent write up.
no no no I thought it was funny as hell I was in my campus library and started laughing I knew exactly what was behind that lol
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Originally Posted by infinitebird
the 847 is too small for that. you need to be thinking way larger, maybe something like a SR 25x/26x setup.
hahahahaha so I can still run that on the stock stall and without a tune right??
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