Originally Posted by METALBEAST

I don't see how you made my arguement "look bad" there. You have just a few things off in your info.

Record is 10.86@122 not 10.6 (guess you missed that "8" in there). Set by a guy in SC just 5 minutes from my GFs parents house. Absolutely awesome! Hope I get to see him run up there soon.
Second his raceweight was 2800 lbs (car itself weighs in at just over 2600 lbs), with Shon's car weighing in at 3150 as I recall. Practically the same weight? Guess that means A GT500 convertible is just a wee bit heavier than a C6 Z06 right?

Look I did not get on here to get pulled into another retarded LT1 vs LS1 debate. Gonna put add an LS1 M6 to my collection of cars probably sometime late this year. I simply stated IF you are going to compare the two, at LEAST compare them tranny vs tranny. And again, the M6 LS1 SI record is 11.4@119 still better than 11.8@114. There done nuff said

Originally Posted by slick1851

Uh if you want to be a bench racing ricer...

Mod for mod and weight for a weight a LS1 car should and could still go faster given the same setups etc

Originally Posted by METALBEAST

I don't see how you made my arguement "look bad" there. You have just a few things off in your info.

Record is 10.86@122 not 10.6 (guess you missed that "8" in there). Set by a guy in SC just 5 minutes from my GFs parents house. Absolutely awesome! Hope I get to see him run up there soon.

Originally Posted by METALBEAST

Second his raceweight was 2800 lbs (car itself weighs in at just over 2600 lbs), with Shon's car weighing in at 3150 as I recall. Practically the same weight? Guess that means A GT500 convertible is just a wee bit heavier than a C6 Z06 right?

Originally Posted by RUQWIKR

Rundown of the car and combo:

DA on first run was a great -1006', 2nd run was -450'

Raceweight was 3060#...70# lighter than with the big motor with wheelie bars, weight bar, and bigger battery. Car has fully certified cage with extra dash & rocker bars, etc. Thanks to Mike Brink at Brink Racecraft!

Fast 90/90 with 85mm MAF with Kook's 1-7/8"-to-2" stepped headers with 3.5" Burns Stainless mufflers

Rossler T400 with ATI 8" MRT converter

Dynotech MMC driveshaft

Strange brakes and master cylinder

Strange 12-bolt with 4.56's with Hoosier 30x9 radial slicks (old 10.866 record was run with 3.73's on 26" tires).

Dave

Originally Posted by METALBEAST

Look I did not get on here to get pulled into another retarded LT1 vs LS1 debate. Gonna put add an LS1 M6 to my collection of cars probably sometime late this year. I simply stated IF you are going to compare the two, at LEAST compare them tranny vs tranny. And again, the M6 LS1 SI record is 11.4@119 still better than 11.8@114. There done nuff said

Originally Posted by darrensls1

The head design was by far the biggest advantage power wise. But I also liked the improved ignition system and the aluminum blocks. We even have had stock bottom end LS1's break into the 9's NA. And of course the world record being 6.86 @ 205 shows how impressive this engine design really is. I'm not saying LS1's are the best motor out there but they were certainly a great engine design with more potential then what the LT1 had. Hence why GM replaced the LT1 with the LS1.



Right now my car is still in storage and with a busted tranny. Once it comes out of storage it's heading over to New Era Performance where it'll be getting ETP 215 heads (ironically an 11 degree head also), streetsweeper cam, Fast 92 intake, underdrive pulley, 150 wet kit and a performabuilt stage 3 4L60E. The order has a ton more stuff but that's all the power adding crap. I'll also be doing some weight reduction.

This combo is supposed to be good for high 9's and should see around 600 rwhp on spray. It's a lot for the stock shortblock but I figure WTF. Run the **** out of it till it blows and then look at forged shortblocks from LME or SDPC or some other reputable builder.

Point is that should make us a real good race if the time in your sig is current and accurate.

Originally Posted by N20Dave

You definately have the right attitude man and that has made this exchange enjoyable for me. Drive it like you stole it. That's a good parts combo you are putting together and should be very potent. One of the things that has always created a bit of LS1 envy (at least in me anyway) is how easy it is to get them to bottom 10's with just H/C and a little power adder. It really shows the efficiency of the design.

P.S. The time in my sig is all motor. It's setup for a 330 nitrous hit. I'll let you do the math.

Originally Posted by 97badass

thanks for clearing that up for me. ive always wondered how that would work but since so many people were saying it i figured it must be true.

Originally Posted by darrensls1

That's awesome! Rock that bitch into the 8's

Very nice car and very nice times

Originally Posted by LT1_T/A

screaminredz.....i dont know if you can read my post or not but i said my time was better than his stock ls1...and i think everyone who has posted in this thread knows that i do not literally hate ls1's you dumbass. i know ls1's are better than lt1's STOCK and thats alright cuz i'd rather have my lt1 so i can beat idiots like you that talk **** about the lt1!!!

Originally Posted by darrensls1

Here is a link to a very recent thread where they announced the new stock internal record of 10.68 @ 122.91 from the drag racing results section.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=879218



Here are my sources on the raceweight. Now if either party lied then I can not be held responsible for that. But I doubt that is the case.



It's from the same thread I quoted above. First post past some pics.

Now my source for Shon Herrons raceweight:

http://www.herronperformance.com/html/shop_car.html

The last sentence of the first paragraph says it all. This is coming from Herron performance and I think they would know.

The list of mods are normal for the LT1s and the race weight was around 3100#s.



So then what is the automatic LT1 stock internal bolt on record? I searched but I couldn't find it. You know why? Because no one cares to record it when it's not breaking the actual stock internal record.

Likewise I did a search for the fastest stock internal M6 LS1 and got nothing concrete. I know the fastest stock internal M6 LS1 on ls1techs ET database is 11.4 but that does not mean it's the fastest stock internal M6 pass ever made. It might be but someone else may have gone faster. Because just like the auto LT1 no one cares to record it when it's not breaking the actual stock internal record.

Let me now say for the record that Shon Herron and RUQWIKR (Dave) deserve a lot of respect for the time, effort and fantastic results each obtained when they set thier platforms stock internal records.

Apples to apples

Originally Posted by METALBEAST

Well all I can say is my apologies. It'd be nice if this damn site would keep information up to date cause it shows the other time. Like I said before kudos to both. Anyway, damn, I let myself get pulled into these old LT/LS debates

Originally Posted by burnzilla

LS1's are 10 years old now.
Anyone can find a 80-120K 98-99 LS1 for 5-8K...they are not that expensive.
A low mile LT1 in nice shape can still pull a nice price as well.