918 spring pressure loss?
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918 spring pressure loss? Anyone ever have a set of 918s go soft? The last few times to the track were very disappointing. Down about 4-5 tenths and 5-6 mph. The only thing that comes to mind about the lastest runs is that the motor seems like it might be lagging right before the shifts again. It did this a few years back with the 987 springs, which were not up to the job from the get go. I find it hard to believe they wore out in less than 2k, but we'll see tomorrow as it goes back on the dyno. If it is valve float, it looks like a set of Patriot Gold Extremes will be the next choice.
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I have. When I originally put them in they were only around 115# on the seat. However they ran ok. Then after some miles were put on the motor I begain experiencing power loss. Suspecting the springs I took them off and they measured between 95 and 100#.
I replaced the springs with Manley beehives and the power came right back.
I replaced the springs with Manley beehives and the power came right back.
I have. When I originally put them in they were only around 115# on the seat. However they ran ok. Then after some miles were put on the motor I begain experiencing power loss. Suspecting the springs I took them off and they measured between 95 and 100#.
I replaced the springs with Manley beehives and the power came right back.
I replaced the springs with Manley beehives and the power came right back.
918's at 1.800 install height are 130# new.
918's at 1.750 install height are ~138# new.
You can expect springs to lose up to 5# in a few thousand miles from what I have been told. Nature of the beast. If you are measuring ~100#, then thats barely better than stock LT1 springs. Chances are you are floating valves. Time for new springs.
Depends on the lobes of the cam, there are popular cams capable of destroying the 918s in just 2k miles as wrd1972 found out the hard way last spring. Other more responsibly setup packages can get 15K+ out of them.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-modifications/889759-355-le-dyno-tune-friday-guess-my-numbers.html
Few sets of springs and a new cam later and it seems to be all fixed though.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-modifications/889759-355-le-dyno-tune-friday-guess-my-numbers.html
Few sets of springs and a new cam later and it seems to be all fixed though.
If you put them on and they only had 115# you were screwed from the get go. Once you lose the initial 5-7% on start up if you lose anymore you lose control of the valves all together and wear the springs out quicker. Since you never had enough to begin with I bet you'll pick up a nice boost in power with new springs. Good luck.
Edit: How long have you had the springs on the heads. You have a Joe O. cam so I'm guessing it's been a while?
Edit: How long have you had the springs on the heads. You have a Joe O. cam so I'm guessing it's been a while?
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If you put them on and they only had 115# you were screwed from the get go. Once you lose the initial 5-7% on start up if you lose anymore you lose control of the valves all together and wear the springs out quicker. Since you never had enough to begin with I bet you'll pick up a nice boost in power with new springs. Good luck.
Edit: How long have you had the springs on the heads. You have a Joe O. cam so I'm guessing it's been a while?
Edit: How long have you had the springs on the heads. You have a Joe O. cam so I'm guessing it's been a while?
A set of PAC springs are in my near future. Cryo treating has been known to slow spring tension loss. My 292XFI cam will zap a set of springs fairly quick. With that in mind I will be cryo treating my next set. FWIW.
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Anyone ever have a set of 918s go soft? The last few times to the track were very disappointing. Down about 4-5 tenths and 5-6 mph. The only thing that comes to mind about the lastest runs is that the motor seems like it might be lagging right before the shifts again. It did this a few years back with the 987 springs, which were not up to the job from the get go. I find it hard to believe they wore out in less than 2k, but we'll see tomorrow as it goes back on the dyno. If it is valve float, it looks like a set of Patriot Gold Extremes will be the next choice.
It isnt just the 918's ANY spring, if beat up enough with AGGRESSIVE cam lobes will degrade a spring.
Depending on the set up, and if the motor sees HIGH RPM fequently, the springs should be checked every season, and if your removing them, then of course replace them. I am running new Comp 918's w/o issue. PAC makes a great spring.
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Well it seems I might be hitting the limiter (6500). Soooooo I'll send the computer off to Ion to have that fixed. Plus send my spare in for the same tune with slightly lower shift points for the nitrous. Thanks for the help guys.
I had 10,000 miles and over 100 1/4 passes on my 918's with a BRE cam (not sure what lobes) and only 3 springs were down on pressure over the rest. I just replaced them because I sold the motor and wanted to be sure the new owner didn't run into problems.
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The only thing I'm doing different this year is putting the car in OD instead of 3rd. It doesn't see OD during the run, but I was told there is more line pressure this way. The 2-3 shift was having a problem with the nitrous last year. I believe it's shifting better this year, but maybe the shift point changed just a hair using OD and it's touching the limiter right as it shifts.
did Ion confirm what the rev. limiter was set at yet?
There are 2 things we see it being as mentioned Tuesday...
-low rev limiter
-opti/ignition issue
let me know what Ion says when you speak with him
BTW : post the graph I sent you
There are 2 things we see it being as mentioned Tuesday...
-low rev limiter
-opti/ignition issue
let me know what Ion says when you speak with him
BTW : post the graph I sent you
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Larry, could you post it for me? When I talk to Ion I'll get back to you. Thanks
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