McLeod or monster?
for those of you worried about the gm springs holding up. well dont worry bc these lt1 series clutches are tough.
here is a video of a 1.25 60' on the back tires and then money shifting from second back to first on accident and cutch took it like a champ and thats the only time ive done that. (i guess the big wheelies get me to excited lol)
blue99fbody t56 camaro in car wheelie - YouTube
here is the car just a few days later at lsfest same clutch no issues.
HOW TO DRIVE LIKE A BOSS - Fastest 6-Speed GM Car NO LIFTING - YouTube
like monster said i sent it back only bc i had the car apart anyway and figured they would like to see how its holding up it was working exactly as it should and holding 1100+rwhp
here is a video of a 1.25 60' on the back tires and then money shifting from second back to first on accident and cutch took it like a champ and thats the only time ive done that. (i guess the big wheelies get me to excited lol)
blue99fbody t56 camaro in car wheelie - YouTube
here is the car just a few days later at lsfest same clutch no issues.
HOW TO DRIVE LIKE A BOSS - Fastest 6-Speed GM Car NO LIFTING - YouTube
like monster said i sent it back only bc i had the car apart anyway and figured they would like to see how its holding up it was working exactly as it should and holding 1100+rwhp
My buddy has a stage 3 actually his 2nd one now. The clutch was great and held his bolt on power as it easily should have. The car was a DD but a "fun" DD so it got exercise he pulled it out at 35k for a cam swap and the disk was done, didnt slip but it had no life left on it. I dont see how some people claim 60k out of them with cammed setups.
Someone that doesn't slip the clutch much on starts, drives 80%hwy, and doesn't go to the track might be able to get 60k out of one.
Well I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
Looking at reviews and pictures of the RXT and LT1, I'm undecided.
Looks like the monster requires OEM flywheel bolts, and I'm pretty much try to replace all bolts with ARP. The flywheel is machined through the friction surface and for the flywheel bolt holes. Does thus cause a warping concern and a 1 time use flywheel?
The McLeod, uses an adapter ring that's aluminum? That concerns me with hard launches at the track and doesn't come with a flywheel. Does McLeod haves steel flywheel drilled for clutch eliminating the adapter?
Arg...
Looking at reviews and pictures of the RXT and LT1, I'm undecided.
Looks like the monster requires OEM flywheel bolts, and I'm pretty much try to replace all bolts with ARP. The flywheel is machined through the friction surface and for the flywheel bolt holes. Does thus cause a warping concern and a 1 time use flywheel?
The McLeod, uses an adapter ring that's aluminum? That concerns me with hard launches at the track and doesn't come with a flywheel. Does McLeod haves steel flywheel drilled for clutch eliminating the adapter?
Arg...
Well I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
Looking at reviews and pictures of the RXT and LT1, I'm undecided.
Looks like the monster requires OEM flywheel bolts, and I'm pretty much try to replace all bolts with ARP. The flywheel is machined through the friction surface and for the flywheel bolt holes. Does thus cause a warping concern and a 1 time use flywheel?
The McLeod, uses an adapter ring that's aluminum? That concerns me with hard launches at the track and doesn't come with a flywheel. Does McLeod haves steel flywheel drilled for clutch eliminating the adapter?
Arg...
Looking at reviews and pictures of the RXT and LT1, I'm undecided.
Looks like the monster requires OEM flywheel bolts, and I'm pretty much try to replace all bolts with ARP. The flywheel is machined through the friction surface and for the flywheel bolt holes. Does thus cause a warping concern and a 1 time use flywheel?
The McLeod, uses an adapter ring that's aluminum? That concerns me with hard launches at the track and doesn't come with a flywheel. Does McLeod haves steel flywheel drilled for clutch eliminating the adapter?
Arg...
No, our flywheel machining does not have any issues at all with warping. There is still quite a bit of material for the friction and overall stability of the clutch with our setup, not to mention we do not use castings, we use billet steel. The flywheel can be used many times over, they're not a one-time-use.
Our packages come with everything you need down to the hardware, you don't reuse stock/inferior cast iron flywheels and you don't have adapter rings to make things fit. You also don't have to shim anything, it's a bolt on and go scenario. Our organic frictions have gone 1.4xx 60 ft times in full weight Fbody's and can be driven by anyone daily.
If you have any other questions give me a shout.
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Verdad Gallardo I'm not going to post detailed images online for others to attempt to copy, no. Give me a shout via email or on the phone and I'll go over all the detail you want. 
Steve@monsterclutches.com
Steve@monsterclutches.com
Steve quick question.
It's my understanding the LT1-S is organic discs, and the SC is ceramic? Are there any plans or ideas to make discs like the single disc stage 2? How would they fare?
It's my understanding the LT1-S is organic discs, and the SC is ceramic? Are there any plans or ideas to make discs like the single disc stage 2? How would they fare?
We've discussed it, not really a need though with the S option. Keeping it simple is key, and those have gone 1.4's and are super smooth/easy to drive.
Well I thought I had decided, but now I'm not sure.
Looking at reviews and pictures of the RXT and LT1, I'm undecided.
Looks like the monster requires OEM flywheel bolts, and I'm pretty much try to replace all bolts with ARP. The flywheel is machined through the friction surface and for the flywheel bolt holes. Does thus cause a warping concern and a 1 time use flywheel?
The McLeod, uses an adapter ring that's aluminum? That concerns me with hard launches at the track and doesn't come with a flywheel. Does McLeod haves steel flywheel drilled for clutch eliminating the adapter?
Arg...
Looking at reviews and pictures of the RXT and LT1, I'm undecided.
Looks like the monster requires OEM flywheel bolts, and I'm pretty much try to replace all bolts with ARP. The flywheel is machined through the friction surface and for the flywheel bolt holes. Does thus cause a warping concern and a 1 time use flywheel?
The McLeod, uses an adapter ring that's aluminum? That concerns me with hard launches at the track and doesn't come with a flywheel. Does McLeod haves steel flywheel drilled for clutch eliminating the adapter?
Arg...
The flywheel does not come with the clutch however any flywheel pretty much will work. I got my fidanza with a new friction plate here used for 150 bucks. So all in all I had 800 in my clutch setup after 50 bucks for balancing.
I personally dont have experience with the lt1 twin. So i cant comment on it. My RST has been great though and drives truly like stock, I also used all ARP hardware. The clutch actually comes with arp hardware for the adapter ring and pressure plate iirc.
Something else to keep in mind the lt1 clutch weighs more than the stock unit. Now it is smaller in diameter so the moi isnt much different so its a modest weight gain. This would be reduced even more with the light flywheel. However I'm all about increasing performance where I can. My RST with the fidanza shaved 20 lbs off the rotating assembly and made quite a big difference from a roll. And no the launch was not affected just bring the rpms a little more up into the band and theres no bogging. Car got faster everywhere. I'm not knocking anyones product as monster makes a great clutch. Just be aware of what each piece is.
Something else to keep in mind the lt1 clutch weighs more than the stock unit. Now it is smaller in diameter so the moi isnt much different so its a modest weight gain. This would be reduced even more with the light flywheel. However I'm all about increasing performance where I can. My RST with the fidanza shaved 20 lbs off the rotating assembly and made quite a big difference from a roll. And no the launch was not affected just bring the rpms a little more up into the band and theres no bogging. Car got faster everywhere. I'm not knocking anyones product as monster makes a great clutch. Just be aware of what each piece is.
Just wanted to correct that, good luck with the McLeod!
from what I saw the thread that you all started when the clutch came out said it weighed 53.5-54 lbs which is a few lbs more than stock. mine and a few others I have seen are around 51 lbs. so at best it may be the same weight not less though. the moi will certainly be less though
Unless it's better to pm, what makes a PP specifically designed for a twin and what benefits does that have over a single adapted?. The pics I have found online show aluminum spacers to bring the PP up.
Lift and release being a large factor. Singles are designed to just release one friction surface, that's it. They're not designed to have aggressive lift and release patterns. Also, because of this laziness they typically have high rpm release issues.
Just to compare the two you're referencing -
- The plate load on the McLeod's are less than ours.
- The frictions they use have lower coefficients than ours.
- Their warranty period is less than ours.
- We use billet steel flywheels and do not expect you to use your cast OEM one.
- All of our hardware is included as well so there is no guessing games.
- We have considerably less parts and there is no setup for the end user which makes installation a hell of a lot easier.
There are a few things that are different beyond that, but, I'm not here to get into a pissing match.
The LT1-xx series twins that we use have many things built in to them to remove any high rpm release issues. The pedal effort is the same as a C7 Corvette and our R has gone mid 8's in the quarter. Not many people can say that about a clutch in that price point and with the drivability they have.our frictions are superior, pieces.
The guys at McLeod are nice people. We've had customers come into our performance shop where we've pulled them and either rebuilt them or replaced them and every time I've called McLeod with tech info requests or warranty issues they've always been on top of things.