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Not sure what I paid, but it was a lot less than that on a group buy. Still in a box so can't comment on anything but price, but still......$100 discrepancy.
Maybe he paid for next day air or some other quicker shipping method. $75 discrepancy anyway.
Alright. I've cleaned up this thread and trimmed the edges around the tech discussion that actually belongs in the tech forums. The Tech Forums are not Angie's List, but we do have proper sections for that sort of thing.
To SAPPER's comments, nothing in the OP's thread seems shocking to an experienced member. This is not an OEM part with OEM fitment and it is well-established that the part is not one for a rushed novice install. (An experienced mechanic is still a novice the first time they work with a certain type of car or part...)
whatsa347 pretty well summed up the engineering profession. The other cool thing is that on the internet, we can all be whoever we want to be...
Hopefully some of the other information in this thread will help keep others from getting over their heads or be prepared for the extra effort it takes to install the part.
Okay people let's back up here. First of all, my original post was edited highly. The Tick CMC is just a Tilton with a bunch of billet attached to it. They upgrade the line a bit too.
The stock cylinder from GM actually is a better piece of engineering, and the C5 cylinder which is the "improved" cylinder is far longer... maybe 2-3 inches longer than the Tilton. Really the Tilton is a weaker cylinder... it's smaller so it pumps less fluid! Therefore it's weaker.
Another dumb thing is that the pedal will be sticking to the floor with the Tilton. This is not a cool thing, it's a dumb thing. There is nothing wrong with the C5 Corvette MC. It works very well in the Camaro SS. It is one of those OEM parts that cannot be improved upon.
Also, i'm not just trusting what my transmission mechanic said. The main problem with the Tick is the Tilton. It's really not a great cylinder. It's actually the cheapest cylinder $$$ can buy.
The stock cylinder pushes more fluid. Period. Don't believe me? Drop it in some Dextron 3 and suck it up in a bucket!
Okay people let's back up here. First of all, my original post was edited highly. The Tick CMC is just a Tilton with a bunch of billet attached to it. They upgrade the line a bit too.
The stock cylinder from GM actually is a better piece of engineering, and the C5 cylinder which is the "improved" cylinder is far longer... maybe 2-3 inches longer than the Tilton. Really the Tilton is a weaker cylinder... it's smaller so it pumps less fluid! Therefore it's weaker.
Another dumb thing is that the pedal will be sticking to the floor with the Tilton. This is not a cool thing, it's a dumb thing. There is nothing wrong with the C5 Corvette MC. It works very well in the Camaro SS. It is one of those OEM parts that cannot be improved upon.
Also, i'm not just trusting what my transmission mechanic said. The main problem with the Tick is the Tilton. It's really not a great cylinder. It's actually the cheapest cylinder $$$ can buy.
The stock cylinder pushes more fluid. Period. Don't believe me? Drop it in some Dextron 3 and suck it up in a bucket!
You have a part number for this C5 master? What years? I looked up several between the 97-04 years and they didn't look like they would match up with our Camaro.
Well, that sucks. Did you get the guys name? Every place has at least one guy who's a dick. Summit has at least 5 or 6.
Hope it gets better from here. I've seen where the aftermarket one now has an aluminum body. Never really seen one or researched it much further than seeing it online.
Not sure if the Luk CMC is any good, but I know that their clutches are pretty good. I don't think everyone needs a $1000 clutch to get a good feel.
Like I said above, was in a hurry to get a CMC and was ready to bit the bullet on a tick and simultaneously saw this thread. Just went with the Luk and another part for a second vehicle I needed also. They're already in the mail. I just have to get this thing moving again.
This is EXACTLY what I am refferring to here. There is no performance gain to this thing at all. None.
Look at how the stock one for the C5 is longer. It also has a better feel. These are hydraulic clutches. The pedal snaps back because of the pressure from the fluid, not a spring.
What is PARAMOUNT is how the mechanic adjusts the FORKS and the CLUTCH assembly as a whole. The Tick cylinder will just make your life harder.
There is one snag when you use the C5 cylinder... you have to order the longer hydraulic line as a different piece. That part number I don't have but I don't think it's too tough to find.
Okay people let's back up here. First of all, my original post was edited highly. The Tick CMC is just a Tilton with a bunch of billet attached to it. They upgrade the line a bit too.
The stock cylinder from GM actually is a better piece of engineering, and the C5 cylinder which is the "improved" cylinder is far longer... maybe 2-3 inches longer than the Tilton. Really the Tilton is a weaker cylinder... it's smaller so it pumps less fluid! Therefore it's weaker.
If the GM unit is better why does it lock you out of gear at high RPMs on a stock clutch in a totally stock car? Why does it leave the peddle feeling spongy? Why does the tick in FACT fix this issue? The tick MC pushes WAY more fluid, Ive blead the stock and the tick unit, it pushed out a ton more.
While the C5 unit might be better than the fbody one, C5 guys are still having troubles with aftermarket clutches and are having to upgrade their MC.
Another dumb thing is that the pedal will be sticking to the floor with the Tilton.
???
The peddle sticks to the floor with the stock unit, not the tick unit. If the tick unit is sticking to the floor you need to adjust it.
Also, i'm not just trusting what my transmission mechanic said. The main problem with the Tick is the Tilton. It's really not a great cylinder. It's actually the cheapest cylinder $$$ can buy.
The stock cylinder pushes more fluid. Period. Don't believe me? Drop it in some Dextron 3 and suck it up in a bucket!
Sounds like your mechanic has little experience with aftermarket parts and probably suggest buying an OEM because it would be easier to install and wouldn't require him to adjust it. Either way good luck shifting at high RPMs...
Originally Posted by blackenedss
Look at how the stock one for the C5 is longer. It also has a better feel. These are hydraulic clutches. The pedal snaps back because of the pressure from the fluid, not a spring.
Irony at its best. The stock setup has a SPRING on the clutch peddle(yet still gets stuck down) tick suggest removing this spring when installing their MC.
This is EXACTLY what I am refferring to here. There is no performance gain to this thing at all. None.
Look at how the stock one for the C5 is longer. It also has a better feel. These are hydraulic clutches. The pedal snaps back because of the pressure from the fluid, not a spring.
What is PARAMOUNT is how the mechanic adjusts the FORKS and the CLUTCH assembly as a whole. The Tick cylinder will just make your life harder.
Well he jig is up here folks. The moderators have told me i'm not allowed to say anything more about Tick's because they are one of their paid advertisers. $$$ wins out every time. I'm quite sure this post will vaporize by tomorrow morning.
The stock cylinder from GM actually is a better piece of engineering, and the C5 cylinder which is the "improved" cylinder is far longer... maybe 2-3 inches longer than the Tilton. Really the Tilton is a weaker cylinder... it's smaller so it pumps less fluid! Therefore it's weaker.
Longer doesn't mean "better" or "stronger" or even that it will move more fluid. The Tilton cylinder has a bigger piston so it doesn't have to move as far to move the same fluid. It's shorter because it doesn't need to be longer. Mine fully disengages my clutch with hardly any pedal movement. It doesn't need to be longer.
Originally Posted by blackenedss
Another dumb thing is that the pedal will be sticking to the floor with the Tilton. This is not a cool thing, it's a dumb thing. There is nothing wrong with the C5 Corvette MC. It works very well in the Camaro SS. It is one of those OEM parts that cannot be improved upon.
A pedal can stick to the floor with any CMC if you have air in it or a leaking cylinder. This is not exclusive to the Tick MC.
Originally Posted by blackenedss
This is EXACTLY what I am refferring to here. There is no performance gain to this thing at all. None.
Look at how the stock one for the C5 is longer. It also has a better feel. These are hydraulic clutches. The pedal snaps back because of the pressure from the fluid, not a spring.
What is PARAMOUNT is how the mechanic adjusts the FORKS and the CLUTCH assembly as a whole. The Tick cylinder will just make your life harder.
Actually the clutch pressure plate is what makes the pedal snap back. Of course it can stay down if you have air or a leak in the system. The fluid just moves, something else has to push it back.
There are no fork or clutch adjustments on a LS1 t56. You can shim the slave, but that's about it on the transmission end of things. Even if there were, a Tick MC wouldn't make life harder. It's just a MC with an adjustable rod, that doesn't affect adjusting a clutch fork or slave at all.
I've got a stock CMC in my 01 TA and a Tick in my GTA with a stage 2 Monster clutch. The stock one is too soft and requires too much travel for me. I much prefer the feel of my Tick with the upgraded clutch. People have complained about the pedal effort on the same set up, but a person would have to have some seriously weak legs to feel like it's too strong. Also a lot of people don't know not to hold their clutch in the whole time they are at a red light, and then they complain about pedal effort.
Well he jig is up here folks. The moderators have told me i'm not allowed to say anything more about Tick's because they are one of their paid advertisers. $$$ wins out every time. I'm quite sure this post will vaporize by tomorrow morning.
Youve been here since 2012 and don't know you can't bash sponsors that pay to have this site stay online?
In your case you are FALSELY bashing, as in just about everything you are saying is wrong, I still feel like we are missing something in this story that you are not telling, as you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Well he jig is up here folks. The moderators have told me i'm not allowed to say anything more about Tick's because they are one of their paid advertisers. $$$ wins out every time. I'm quite sure this post will vaporize by tomorrow morning.
I'd like to hear from Tick on this too. Not everyone has had a good experience with them and the occasional negative user review is a good mechanism to help expose a problem, should one exist.
Well he jig is up here folks. The moderators have told me i'm not allowed to say anything more about Tick's because they are one of their paid advertisers. $$$ wins out every time. I'm quite sure this post will vaporize by tomorrow morning.
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