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Old Nov 25, 2016 | 08:58 PM
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I have a viper shaft t56 with about 3k miles since build. Lately, it's been making an odd noise and I'm trying to determine if this is a clutch issue or an internal trans issue.

I'm running a new SPEC 3+ with a freshly machined SPEC steel flywheel.
It makes the noise under the following conditions:
While coasting to a stop with the trans in gear with the clutch pushed in.
It does not make the noise when in neutral.
I can stop the noise by placing the trans in neutral and letting the clutch out
It will continue If I put it back in gear while moving with the clutch pushed in
Under no circumstances will it make noise with the clutch engaged.

The noise sounds like a bad throwout bearing but its not acting like a typical throwout bearing issue. Anyone got any ideas?
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 05:55 AM
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Does it make a noise with clutch pedal down, car in any gear and vehicle stopped ?

ie there will be no moving parts in the trans at this point.

Although from your description, release bearing does sound likely.
Old Nov 26, 2016 | 06:06 PM
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Yes, if i coast to a stop with the pedal down in gear, it will make the noise until I take it out of gear and let the clutch out. Then it won't do it again unless its put back in gear. It's also intermittent. Hasn't done it in 2 days.
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Yes, if i coast to a stop with the pedal down in gear, it will make the noise until I take it out of gear and let the clutch out. Then it won't do it again unless its put back in gear. It's also intermittent. Hasn't done it in 2 days.
It's the Pilot bearing.
Old Nov 30, 2016 | 02:44 PM
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Google neutral gear rollover noise/rattle? Pretty common after installing a fresh clutch and/or engine upgrade. Every manual trans has the issue though most are subdued enough they aren't easily audible. Engine harmonics are passed into the transmission when it's unloaded. Should disappear once above 1800-2500 rpm. Though, wouldn't expect this to be intermittent.

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Old Nov 30, 2016 | 06:27 PM
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Going on day 5 with no noise and driven everyday. I suppose I'm just not going to worry about it for now.

I did put a new pilot bushing and input shaft in when the trans was built.
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Sounds like the exact same symptoms as my failed pilot bearing
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The noise came back. I noticed some new things. If I'm at a dead stop, I cant push in the clutch and the noise comes back if I put it in a higher gear like 3rd or 4th but goes away slowly if I put it back in neutral with the clutch still pushed in. It goes away immediately when i let the clutch out in neutral.

I'm pretty sure its the pilot bearing at this point but I'm really hoping I don't have to pull the trans again. I'm running GM Syncromesh with carbon sycros. Any chance that could be the issue?
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Old Jan 26, 2017 | 08:01 AM
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Did you use a bushing? If so, that is the problem. Put a GM brand pilot bearing in it.
Old Jan 26, 2017 | 08:14 PM
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Yea, I used the pilot bushing that came with my SPEC clutch. the last bearing I ran destroyed my input shaft so I'd like to stay away form those.

This is an LT1 T56 btw
Old Jan 26, 2017 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ElkySS
Yea, I used the pilot bushing that came with my SPEC clutch. the last bearing I ran destroyed my input shaft so I'd like to stay away form those.

This is an LT1 T56 btw
Bronze pilot bushings suck. I personally never use them over a quality roller bearing with some extra high temp grease pushed into the rollers.
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 05:04 AM
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It really shouldnt make any odds one way or the other unless you spend shitloads of time with your foot pressed on the clutch

Which is just very bad driving, so dont do it.
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 09:28 AM
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I've never had any luck with the bushings either. They always seem to go out quicker so I've stuck with the bearings and they seem to be better/longer lasting.
Old Jan 27, 2017 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
It really shouldnt make any odds one way or the other unless you spend shitloads of time with your foot pressed on the clutch

Which is just very bad driving, so dont do it.
The material is too soft in the modern bushings that come in these kits.
Old Jan 30, 2017 | 11:18 PM
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Alright, Guess I'll try a bearing again. Which one have yall had good luck with?
Old Jan 31, 2017 | 08:34 AM
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Go GM/AC Delco original equipment.
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I don't believe LT1s had a factory bearing
Old Feb 1, 2017 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ElkySS
I don't believe LT1s had a factory bearing
Sure it did. Its the same bearing as the LS1 small bearing.
Old Jan 29, 2019 | 09:10 AM
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Did it sound like this. My t56 doing the same thing. Also. I can rev it with the car in gear clutch down. Makes same noise and car starts to move. Shop said trans is bad. Clutch only has 7k miles on it
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