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Old May 23, 2019 | 08:24 PM
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I have a T56 that has a 2.97 first gear, so I ordered an LS input shaft for that gear ratio. The problem that I see is that the 2.97 input shaft is about 9/16" longer than an LS 2.66 input shaft. The transmission shop is telling me that it is the correct input shaft. Is there any pilot bearing or bellhousing combination that will work with the loner shaft? The transmission will be bolted to an LQ4. Appreciate any advice.
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Old May 23, 2019 | 10:56 PM
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I might be wrong but.. I believe the longer shaft uses the smaller pilot bearing (i.e. fbody bearing) and the shorter shaft is meant for cars that use the larger pilot bearing. So if you have the shorter shaft, use the big bearing.
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Old May 24, 2019 | 07:32 PM
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Your T56 must be from a GTO. The GTO used the same pilot bearing as the F-bodies (small bearing).

I don't understand how the new input shaft is longer but the shop is telling you it is the right one. They may have accidentally ordered a Mustang T56 input shaft and not one for a GTO.

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Old May 25, 2019 | 04:03 PM
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They are both LS input shafts based on the pilot bearing diameter (0.590), just trying to figure out why a 2.97 ratio shaft would be longer than a 2.66 ratio, and if it will indeed work. My fear is that if I put this all together the shaft will be too long and I won't be able to bolt up the bell housing.
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Old May 25, 2019 | 04:41 PM
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One possibility is the longer shaft is from a cts-v. They have a longer bell housing due to a dual mass flywheel.
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Old May 25, 2019 | 04:45 PM
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Is your transmission a mn12 out of a gto or a cts-v?
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Old May 25, 2019 | 05:00 PM
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Good point. Knowing the exact transmission that you have would be super helpful.
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Old May 26, 2019 | 10:06 AM
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Well it's kind of been bastardized, started out as an after market ford I believe, that was converted to LT1 I think. I was going to try to use it on an LS, but its looking like even the transmission specialists don't even know how or if it can be done.
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Originally Posted by Kristopher10
Well it's kind of been bastardized, started out as an after market ford I believe, that was converted to LT1 I think. I was going to try to use it on an LS, but its looking like even the transmission specialists don't even know how or if it can be done.
How much is this rebuild going to cost? If I was you, I would be looking at the T56 Magnum. It's a swap friendly version of the newer TR6060 and is superior in every respect to any older T56 variant.

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Old May 26, 2019 | 11:18 AM
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I've got a cts-v bell housing and a gto bell housing, I'll measure the difference sometime today and let you know. That's about the difference if my memory serves me well.
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Old May 26, 2019 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Project GatTagO
How much is this rebuild going to cost? If I was you, I would be looking at the T56 Magnum. It's a swap friendly version of the newer TR6060 and is superior in every respect to any older T56 variant.

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As it is, even with both input shafts, I'm into to it for less than the cheapest used LS T56 I could find. If I have to throw any more money at it I'm likely going to send everything back and buy a Magnum.
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Old May 26, 2019 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by showdog75
I've got a cts-v bell housing and a gto bell housing, I'll measure the difference sometime today and let you know. That's about the difference if my memory serves me well.
Thanks, that would be much appreciated.
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Our LS 29 tooth input shaft is exactly the same length as the common F Body LS 31 tooth input shaft. As far as I am aware, we're the only ones who offer such a thing.
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A gto t56 bell housing is 5 1/2" front to back. A cts-v t56 bell housing is approximately 5 7/8"- 6" so 3/8" to a 1/2" longer. I couldn't get a dead nuts measurement on the cts-v bell housing as it's on the tranny. I'd bet money you've got a main shaft meant for a cts-v t56.
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What is the measurement on your bell housing? What area are you in? Would help in members here possibly knowing and or suggesting someone in your area that can help. Most typical transmission shops don't have a clue on compatibility of different parts on these trans.

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Originally Posted by showdog75
One possibility is the longer shaft is from a cts-v. They have a longer bell housing due to a dual mass flywheel.
The maindrive (input) is shorter in a CTS-V than GTO. The bell is 7mm longer in a CTS-V than GTO.

And are we measuring by setting the shaft rear down on a table? The synchronization section adds "length" but not functional clutch drive spline/pilot length.
There's really too many combinations of parts the OP could be talking about.
Post pics w/ measurements or get very possibly wrong information, OP.
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Originally Posted by jmd
The maindrive (input) is shorter in a CTS-V than GTO. The bell is 7mm longer in a CTS-V than GTO.

And are we measuring by setting the shaft rear down on a table? The synchronization section adds "length" but not functional clutch drive spline/pilot length.
There's really too many combinations of parts the OP could be talking about.
Post pics w/ measurements or get very possibly wrong information, OP.
I'm not referring to overall length just the portion from the front of the trans to the pilot bearing end. I'm in no way a authority on these transmissions just relating my experience. In my layman's mind if the bell housing is longer then the shaft probably has to extend further from the trans. Is my thinking wrong?
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Old May 28, 2019 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jmd
The maindrive (input) is shorter in a CTS-V than GTO. The bell is 7mm longer in a CTS-V than GTO.

And are we measuring by setting the shaft rear down on a table? The synchronization section adds "length" but not functional clutch drive spline/pilot length.
There's really too many combinations of parts the OP could be talking about.
Post pics w/ measurements or get very possibly wrong information, OP.
I was measuring from the bearing mounting surface on both input shafts to make sure I wasn't mistaking gear thickness or synchro area as the culprit. It is just simply going to stick out of the transmission an extra 9/16" (approximately).
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