Starting an M6
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Starting an M6 not only IN but OUT
i am doing a tranny swap in the not so distant future...and since i have an A4 i have already bought an Alarm and REMOTE START....
now ive heard the clutch must be depressed in order to start the car....BUT i would like to kno if:
I had the shifter/tranny between gears (N) and the parking brake on....could i start the car wihtout depressing the clutch (W/ KEY inside car)
if not then how would the whole Remote start work?...any1 have one on theres and kno what they did?
please inform me...ive heard theres some SAFTEY SWITCH wire or something???
if so how can it be fixed so i can start it without depressing the clutch and use a remote start
thanks guys
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i am doing a tranny swap in the not so distant future...and since i have an A4 i have already bought an Alarm and REMOTE START....
now ive heard the clutch must be depressed in order to start the car....BUT i would like to kno if:
I had the shifter/tranny between gears (N) and the parking brake on....could i start the car wihtout depressing the clutch (W/ KEY inside car)
if not then how would the whole Remote start work?...any1 have one on theres and kno what they did?
please inform me...ive heard theres some SAFTEY SWITCH wire or something???
if so how can it be fixed so i can start it without depressing the clutch and use a remote start
thanks guys
Adam
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Coming from a car audio installer, this is not a good idea. Remote start on any manual trans is dangerous, especially if the remote start is not designed for it.
Since you are doing an a4 to m6 swap, you will not have the clutch safety switch most likely. Since you do not, the car will start regardless of what gear its in or if the clutch is pressed. If you leave the car in gear (or someone else who borrowed your car) the car will start and drive forward (or reverse).
Some remote starts are designed for manual trans. Clifford for instance has an intellistart module which requires a couple things for the remote start to work.
Before you turn off the car to get out, you must press a button on the remote control. The alarm will beep then you can take the key out. The car will stay running until you arm it, then it will shut off. This ensures that since you got out of the car and it stayed running, the car must be in neutral. If the alarm goes off any time between leaving and remote starting, it will not start. (in case someone broke a window, jacked your ****, and bumped it in gear)
Scary part: What if you armed the car and left your windows down? Someone could reach in and bump the car into gear, the alarm would not know it, and it could start.
Do it at your own risk, but if your car starts and runs over some little kid, or worse yet, your house
don't say I didn't tell you so.
Since you are doing an a4 to m6 swap, you will not have the clutch safety switch most likely. Since you do not, the car will start regardless of what gear its in or if the clutch is pressed. If you leave the car in gear (or someone else who borrowed your car) the car will start and drive forward (or reverse).
Some remote starts are designed for manual trans. Clifford for instance has an intellistart module which requires a couple things for the remote start to work.
Before you turn off the car to get out, you must press a button on the remote control. The alarm will beep then you can take the key out. The car will stay running until you arm it, then it will shut off. This ensures that since you got out of the car and it stayed running, the car must be in neutral. If the alarm goes off any time between leaving and remote starting, it will not start. (in case someone broke a window, jacked your ****, and bumped it in gear)
Scary part: What if you armed the car and left your windows down? Someone could reach in and bump the car into gear, the alarm would not know it, and it could start.
Do it at your own risk, but if your car starts and runs over some little kid, or worse yet, your house
don't say I didn't tell you so. You can wire it to crank w/o the clutch pedal depressed.
You cannot have a safety feature of the remote start being de-activated incase it is in gear. There are no switches or sensors in place on a T-56 that detect this.
You cannot have a safety feature of the remote start being de-activated incase it is in gear. There are no switches or sensors in place on a T-56 that detect this.
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i had a clifford on a 99 integra i used to own with automatic starter. it was a m5 and it worked. but just as it was explained above by retsell, my car was in gear, and began to move without me in it 
.. take it from me, even if ur careful accidents do happen. i wouldn't do it again. good luck tho 
.. take it from me, even if ur careful accidents do happen. i wouldn't do it again. good luck tho Thread Starter
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ok so as long as i have it in neutral between gears ill be fine with a remote start....dont get me wrong I WONT 4get lol
im too careful wiht my car...and i have a Viper alarm system the 760X or soemthing like that i dont remember what its called...
in the swap i can choose to not have the saftey switch?....or is that something wiht the tranny...
any1 else with input go for it nothings stopping you
thanks all previous posters
im too careful wiht my car...and i have a Viper alarm system the 760X or soemthing like that i dont remember what its called...
in the swap i can choose to not have the saftey switch?....or is that something wiht the tranny...
any1 else with input go for it nothings stopping you
thanks all previous posters
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Originally Posted by 02WS6Bird
ok so as long as i have it in neutral between gears ill be fine with a remote start....dont get me wrong I WONT 4get lol
im too careful wiht my car...and i have a Viper alarm system the 760X or soemthing like that i dont remember what its called...
in the swap i can choose to not have the saftey switch?....or is that something wiht the tranny...
any1 else with input go for it nothings stopping you
thanks all previous posters
im too careful wiht my car...and i have a Viper alarm system the 760X or soemthing like that i dont remember what its called...
in the swap i can choose to not have the saftey switch?....or is that something wiht the tranny...
any1 else with input go for it nothings stopping you
thanks all previous posters
There was a device made a long time ago, I don't think they make them any more. You mounted this box with a spring loaded cable just behind or in front of the shifter. Drill a hole through the shifter and secure the cable. If the shifter was not it the center (neutral) the contacts on the box would not be together. Look for it, it's the only decent safety.
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the old lady wont touch my car....frens DEFINITLY wont drive it lol...family outa the ?....im having the pro 5.0 installed prolly right away or this guy im having install it is making me a custom shifter with cutom stops....depends which is most streetable for me
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I dont quite get the point of remote start on a sports/muscle car....usually reserved for your winter time ride when its out in the freezing cold. So what if it starts up 15 secs before you get to it. Nothing I'd consider "pimp", and definately not worth the risk on a manual car.
I have seen cars with the safety switch broken/not on the car. And every car has a story with it. I remember when I was little (4 yrs old), we had an RX7 and I hopped in to turn the key on to run an accessory, well the car took off and almost ended up in Lake St. Clair. This is not an exact example.....but it does show you what happens when safety is compromised.....Murphy's Law will find a way.
I have seen cars with the safety switch broken/not on the car. And every car has a story with it. I remember when I was little (4 yrs old), we had an RX7 and I hopped in to turn the key on to run an accessory, well the car took off and almost ended up in Lake St. Clair. This is not an exact example.....but it does show you what happens when safety is compromised.....Murphy's Law will find a way.
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The safty switch is on the clutch pedal bracket. You could bypass it using two wires off your A4 setup (purple w/ white stripe and the dark green) by tying them together. if you keep it then you need to run the wires to the switch on the pedal. I recomend keeping the safety switch. If anything ever happened you would be liable for it.
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the remote start is for quite a few reasons....my school has no air conditioning other than the Gym and thats really it...so on those hot sunny days my NBM/Black car....gets VERY HOTT>....i would have the AC turn on wiht the car etc. so its not a BOILING *** CAR!!!..lol...also i will see some COLLLLLLLLD weather....so its not just for the cool factor.....i live in chicago weather is unexpected
so as long as the cars between gears (Neutral) with the park brake on...ill be fine correct?
will removal of this safety switch make me eligible to start without depressing the brake in any situation? remote start or in the vehicle?
so as long as the cars between gears (Neutral) with the park brake on...ill be fine correct?
will removal of this safety switch make me eligible to start without depressing the brake in any situation? remote start or in the vehicle?
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Originally Posted by 02WS6Bird
the remote start is for quite a few reasons....my school has no air conditioning other than the Gym and thats really it...so on those hot sunny days my NBM/Black car....gets VERY HOTT>....i would have the AC turn on wiht the car etc. so its not a BOILING *** CAR!!!..lol...also i will see some COLLLLLLLLD weather....so its not just for the cool factor.....i live in chicago weather is unexpected
so as long as the cars between gears (Neutral) with the park brake on...ill be fine correct?
will removal of this safety switch make me eligible to start without depressing the brake in any situation? remote start or in the vehicle?
so as long as the cars between gears (Neutral) with the park brake on...ill be fine correct?
will removal of this safety switch make me eligible to start without depressing the brake in any situation? remote start or in the vehicle?
keep in mind you are going against the recommendation of everyone.
The only way I would do this is if I had a sensor to detect the shifter in neutral so that it was foolproof. One screwup of leaving the car in gear could cost you lots of problems. convenience is great but I'm forgetful.
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no removal of the safety switch since you already do not have one.
keep in mind you are going against the recommendation of everyone.
keep in mind you are going against the recommendation of everyone.
If you don't want to have the clutch pedal depressed to start the car, do as stated previously - connect the purple w/ white stripe, and the dark green wires together so to make a circuit. (THESE 2 WIRES USED TO GO INTO YOUR PARK SAFETY SWITCH WHICH MADE YOUR CAR HAVE TO BE IN PARK TO START PREVIOUSLY). In all honesty, do the smart thing and enable your safety switch. You never know when you take it in for service who will be behind the wheel.
example:
You take your car to Goodyear to get your new tires mounted. A 16 year old kid with no experience has the job of pulling your car out of/into the bay. This can spell disaster. If something happens, hey IT'S YOUR FAULT. You chose not to enable the safety device that the manufacturer put there for a reason. You may even be sued for damages. The point is, you never know.
Lose the remote start and do this the right way for safety. It won't kill you to go outside and start the car yourself.
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Originally Posted by dragonZ28
Yes, he will have a safety switch. The safety switch is located on the M6 pedal assembly at the top of the clutch peadl. It looks like a black box with 2 metal prongs for the leads housed on one side of it. So YES you will have a safety switch.
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Are you assuming he is going to change the wiring harness when going from an auto to a manual?
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ok in doing the swap the guy needs to kno how to go about the remote start on the cluthc system etc....what does he need to do...to amke it work? what wiring etc everything you can provide
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Originally Posted by dragonZ28
Dude, seriously, you don't know what you are talking about. The switch is not on the wiring harness, nor does he need to change his harness for it to work. I did this conversion, I did not switch my wiring harness, I have a clutch safety switch and it works. I know what I am saying here.
connect the following to the relay:
Pin 30 - Purple/white
Pin 87a - vacant
Pin 87 - Green
Pin 85 - B+ (Constant)
Pin 86 - Active Output from alarm
Do not cut the purple/white and green wires, just splice the relay into them,
I don't own an f-body, but I have put about 50 remote start systems on f-bodys and other GM vehicles (wiring is almost identical as far as the ignition system goes)
My point is and was, you do not have to have a neutral safety switch, pretty much just like you said in an above post. I just asumed that he knew to bypass the park safety switch, and you assumed he would be tieing it to the neutral safety switch.
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Originally Posted by dragonZ28
Dude, seriously, you don't know what you are talking about. The switch is not on the wiring harness
Originally Posted by 02WS6Bird
ok in doing the swap the guy needs to kno how to go about the remote start on the cluthc system etc....what does he need to do...to amke it work? what wiring etc everything you can provide
Hey Adam, seriously don't hook up the remote start. If you leave it in gear once and start it, your T/A is gonna be sitting next to you eating breakfast after it jumps thru the wall. It's not worth the risk.
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lol im aware of the risks...and they are risks im willing to take...i dont always use the remote start...i use it every so often...usually when its either extremely cold or extremely hot...and the parking brake shouuuuuuuuuuld hold the car enough in the case id does act up...
thanks for all the input however...
but is there any1 hwo can answer how to install the tranny and clutch system WITH IT?...if so what needs to be done so its bypassed?
thanks for all the input however...
but is there any1 hwo can answer how to install the tranny and clutch system WITH IT?...if so what needs to be done so its bypassed?