Ram Clutch Problems...NEED help....
Ram Clutch Problems...NEED help.... It might be just something on install no a RAM problem but here is my problem. Instaled RAM 402PP and 310 Disk. Also went with the updated GM Slave. I was told a Adjustable master cylinder was needed. But i tried it without it anyway. Well the clutch will only half dissenguage by time the pedal is on the floor. So i took my master cylinder out and made the rod adjustable. But all the adjustment does is make the pedal move up and down. Now it still only half dissenguages like before just the pedal wont hit the floor?? So what do i need to make the clutch work again?? Will a REAL adjuatable master be any better if so how?
I shure hope yall can help me. I bled the clutch also MANY MANY TIMES!! Pumped it about a 100 time (literally) to make shure bled again and again. Don hear any air coming out just fluid??
Please help if you can.......
I shure hope yall can help me. I bled the clutch also MANY MANY TIMES!! Pumped it about a 100 time (literally) to make shure bled again and again. Don hear any air coming out just fluid??
Please help if you can.......
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Re: Ram Clutch Problems...NEED help.... Try adjusting it so that just as you push down on the pedal it starts to slip. Then see if full depression does anything. If it fully disengages then, slowly turn it in so all the pedal travel happens in the middle. If that doesn't help put your old slave back in.
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Re: Ram Clutch Problems...NEED help.... ok, so when you press in the clutch peddle it won't go all the way in?
1.) your slave cylinder / TO Bearing may be leaking.
2.) reverse bleed the system to ensure all air is removed.
3.) your master may be shot.
4.) look at the reservior level and pump the peddle a bunch and then check the level again. If it is losing fluid then you have a leak somewhere.
5.) is your clutch the VDS system?
1.) your slave cylinder / TO Bearing may be leaking.
2.) reverse bleed the system to ensure all air is removed.
3.) your master may be shot.
4.) look at the reservior level and pump the peddle a bunch and then check the level again. If it is losing fluid then you have a leak somewhere.
5.) is your clutch the VDS system?
Re: Ram Clutch Problems...NEED help.... I gess im confused here from this adjustment. On there is a switch at the botom of the clutch for example to let you start the car.... well if i adjust the master cylinder to a longer setting it dont touch th button? i guess the master cylinder is getting full extention? correct? il try to draw it out.
pedal travel here
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starts to release here
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never gets a full release
after i adjust it the travel is here
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starts to release here
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still never gets a full release. Is this mod suppose to make my stock master pump more fluid??
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The pedal goes as far as it use to distace wise just if i adjust it out it raises up. like 2 inches on top, then at full extention it is two inches off the floor. Same Distance of travel as always though?
1) i guess a leak is possible but no evedents?
2) dont think it has air but anything is possible
3) probly is the case here probly shot but worked fine before clutch chane. (chance becase i broke the disk never slipped or had trouble slipping.
4)No loss in fluid (except during bleeding)
5)VDS? i guess its the 402PP for the LS1?
pedal travel here
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starts to release here
--
never gets a full release
after i adjust it the travel is here
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starts to release here
--
still never gets a full release. Is this mod suppose to make my stock master pump more fluid??
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The pedal goes as far as it use to distace wise just if i adjust it out it raises up. like 2 inches on top, then at full extention it is two inches off the floor. Same Distance of travel as always though?
1) i guess a leak is possible but no evedents?
2) dont think it has air but anything is possible
3) probly is the case here probly shot but worked fine before clutch chane. (chance becase i broke the disk never slipped or had trouble slipping.
4)No loss in fluid (except during bleeding)
5)VDS? i guess its the 402PP for the LS1?
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From: columbia, sc
Re: Ram Clutch Problems...NEED help.... Did you have any problems reinstalling the transmission? Did it slide right in or did you have to draw it in with the bolts? It's real easy to bend the disc this way and that could cause non release...
Re: Ram Clutch Problems...NEED help.... Posted this elsewhere, i know Tim saw it already. But for the masses to enjoy.....
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It's not a simple adjustable rod that makes it work.
Internal to the master is a piston stop. You'll need to pull the master again, disassemble it. remove the piston, return spring, and spring seat. The spring seat is a cone looking thing, about 1.5 inches long. You'll need to cut it down about 1 inch.
This will let you make the rod longer, and get more fluid displacement.
It will move the pedal up, and you will get it to disengage because you'll then be able to get it to the floor.
Not sure why it didn't work though. I installed the same setup in an 01 Z w/o making the master adjustable. No problems, and the pedal actually moved up on it's own
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It's not a simple adjustable rod that makes it work.
Internal to the master is a piston stop. You'll need to pull the master again, disassemble it. remove the piston, return spring, and spring seat. The spring seat is a cone looking thing, about 1.5 inches long. You'll need to cut it down about 1 inch.
This will let you make the rod longer, and get more fluid displacement.
It will move the pedal up, and you will get it to disengage because you'll then be able to get it to the floor.
Not sure why it didn't work though. I installed the same setup in an 01 Z w/o making the master adjustable. No problems, and the pedal actually moved up on it's own
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