Spec questions
Some friends and myself had to drop the tranny 3 times before we found out that the shim was out of place. Everytime we went to pump the clutch, fluid would start leaking. We actually destroyed a brand new slave b/c we didn't line it up correctly. 
guys the hydraulics in my GTO are different than your fbodies right? because I know of an 04 GTO guy who put in a spec stage 3+ and had massive problems with the clutch,yanked out the shim and it works perfect now
Originally Posted by speeddemongto
guys the hydraulics in my GTO are different than your fbodies right? because I know of an 04 GTO guy who put in a spec stage 3+ and had massive problems with the clutch,yanked out the shim and it works perfect now
The spec3's need the shim no matter what. The spec3+ doesn't need the shim since it's a different sized disk.
Brad..I forgot to look at your sig. I just now noticed you have a 3+. You will not need the shim. I thought you said you had a spec3...that's my fault for not paying attention.
Brad..I forgot to look at your sig. I just now noticed you have a 3+. You will not need the shim. I thought you said you had a spec3...that's my fault for not paying attention.
Jake: Though I appreciate your assistance with the information provided the point you make about the shim in reference to stage 3+ is incorrect. The shim is required on all clutches for Ls1 F-body models.
Speed: As for the GTO question, we actually have customers using the kits with and without the shim. though one would imagine that there should be no variance from one car to the next this simply isn't the case. That being said, it really depends on the car. I would suggest using the shim but you may find that the pedal is high after installation. If this is the case then pull it back out. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks,
Speed: As for the GTO question, we actually have customers using the kits with and without the shim. though one would imagine that there should be no variance from one car to the next this simply isn't the case. That being said, it really depends on the car. I would suggest using the shim but you may find that the pedal is high after installation. If this is the case then pull it back out. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks,
Originally Posted by JakeY2KZ
The spec3's need the shim no matter what. The spec3+ doesn't need the shim since it's a different sized disk.
Brad..I forgot to look at your sig. I just now noticed you have a 3+. You will not need the shim. I thought you said you had a spec3...that's my fault for not paying attention.
Brad..I forgot to look at your sig. I just now noticed you have a 3+. You will not need the shim. I thought you said you had a spec3...that's my fault for not paying attention.
Originally Posted by SPEC-01
Jake: Though I appreciate your assistance with the information provided the point you make about the shim in reference to stage 3+ is incorrect. The shim is required on all clutches for Ls1 F-body models.
Speed: As for the GTO question, we actually have customers using the kits with and without the shim. though one would imagine that there should be no variance from one car to the next this simply isn't the case. That being said, it really depends on the car. I would suggest using the shim but you may find that the pedal is high after installation. If this is the case then pull it back out. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks,
Speed: As for the GTO question, we actually have customers using the kits with and without the shim. though one would imagine that there should be no variance from one car to the next this simply isn't the case. That being said, it really depends on the car. I would suggest using the shim but you may find that the pedal is high after installation. If this is the case then pull it back out. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks,
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Originally Posted by SPEC-01
Yes it should be, I am sorry if that was not clear in my last post. Thanks,
Originally Posted by SPEC-01
Jake: Though I appreciate your assistance with the information provided the point you make about the shim in reference to stage 3+ is incorrect. The shim is required on all clutches for Ls1 F-body models.
I've known a couple of friends running the 3+ w/o the shim. Engagement was perfect and had no problems. To each their own I guess. I agree that it will be different with each car. I just hate to see someone use the shim on the 3+ and then turn around and have to pull it b/c it wasn't needed.
Jake, Thanks again for the "experience" references. I always base the information I provide on the experiences that I have had as well. Remember, the stage 3+ does use a thicker disc but this is not the only difference...the pressure-plate is cut accordingly. That being said geometry is maintained. This is why the shim is used in all F-body applications.
Jeremy, nice name BTW (thats mine name as well), which would you recommend? Im shooting for right around 500rwhp on the bottle but what something thats not a pain in the *** to drive on the street. Also what do you know about slipping the clutch out during stop and go driving? Are people having problems with that because of break in problems or...? Also, do you sell clutches direct?
I am really a big fan of our 3+. It is the premium set-up, providing great torque capacity and easy drivability. It is certainly possible to slip it a bit during daily driving without issue. It handles heat well and has a really good wear characteristic. I have run 3+'s in my car and have always liked them (of course I am a bit biased). As long as you break-in the clutch properly and use a flat flywheel you should be set. We do sell clutches directly or you can buy through any of our dealers (a few are sponsors of this forum). Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks,
Originally Posted by SPEC-01
Jake: Though I appreciate your assistance with the information provided the point you make about the shim in reference to stage 3+ is incorrect. The shim is required on all clutches for Ls1 F-body models.
Speed: As for the GTO question, we actually have customers using the kits with and without the shim. though one would imagine that there should be no variance from one car to the next this simply isn't the case. That being said, it really depends on the car. I would suggest using the shim but you may find that the pedal is high after installation. If this is the case then pull it back out. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks,
Speed: As for the GTO question, we actually have customers using the kits with and without the shim. though one would imagine that there should be no variance from one car to the next this simply isn't the case. That being said, it really depends on the car. I would suggest using the shim but you may find that the pedal is high after installation. If this is the case then pull it back out. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks,
