WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!!
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WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! OK guys here's the deal
I have a 2000 T/A with a Centerforce DF clutch and flywheel,I have the 145 slave and a new trans. It has always been very notchy and seems to be getting worse,I can't shift it fast at all,my clutch fluid is black, and worst of all when I beat on it slips and is very hard to get into gear.
I have a 2000 T/A with a Centerforce DF clutch and flywheel,I have the 145 slave and a new trans. It has always been very notchy and seems to be getting worse,I can't shift it fast at all,my clutch fluid is black, and worst of all when I beat on it slips and is very hard to get into gear.
Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! Ditch the CF clutch. They dont work well with our hydraulic system. You can get a SPEC Stage 2 or 3 for about $350 that works flawlessly and wont slip. Its hard to get into gear because the clutch is not disengaging all of the way, which is very hard on the sychronizers in the trans.
Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! I wouldn't assume it's the clutch. I would drain the fluid and rebleed the hydraulics. Check and make sure you aren't leaking any fluid near the bellhousing. Also change the fluid with the tranny hot for some dexron 3 non-synthetic fluid. If you are going to bleed everything you may as well do the drill mod too.
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! Thanks guys for the info, this clutch has to be a piece of **** or LS1 guys would be using it more than they do
.I was resistant to getting this clutch,but it was all I could get locally that day on short notice.I guess for now I will what 4mulajoe says until I can replace it.
.I was resistant to getting this clutch,but it was all I could get locally that day on short notice.I guess for now I will what 4mulajoe says until I can replace it. Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! centerforce dont work too well on these cars but they do on mustangs.get something like a spec.,ram,or mcleod and do the drill mod on your line.
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! I have the same black fluid and the same problem with a ram vds 910. I feel the hydraulics are ****. I ve bled mine out a dozen times and have been through 3 masters sooner or later the problem comes back. Now this master is leaking inside my car. I'm gonna try a McLeoud or however you spell it. But I here guys having problems with those also. I wish I had a auto with all the problems this clutch has given me.
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!!
I wouldn't assume it's the clutch. I would drain the fluid and rebleed the hydraulics. Check and make sure you aren't leaking any fluid near the bellhousing. Also change the fluid with the tranny hot for some dexron 3 non-synthetic fluid. If you are going to bleed everything you may as well do the drill mod too.
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! Thanks 4mula joe for the advice,I finally got around to flushing out the nasty fluid and that worked.It feels totally different now,easy shifts and less pedal pressure? What a PITA. I didn't do the drill mod,I'm gonna replace the master with a new one and then do it. The Centerforce is still a piece a **** though, doesn't hold on the spray 
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! I would definitely replace and rebleed your hydraulic fluid. Also make sure your hydraulic line isn't running too close to the headers. That could burn your fluid as well as the clutch.
Mike
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! NOW WTF I bleed all the nasty fluid out of the system and it was fine for a short while, now its hard to get into gear again! Now it seems different though, I can engage the clutch smoothly, but its tough to get into the gears and slow to synchronize between shifts.
I bleed all the nasty fluid out of the system and it was fine for a short while, now its hard to get into gear again! Now it seems different though, I can engage the clutch smoothly, but its tough to get into the gears and slow to synchronize between shifts. TECH Fanatic
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! sounds like your clutch isn't fully disengaging, making the synchros work harder. Does pedal pressure very at times? That's a sure-fire sign that there is air in the line. If you find more air try this:
http://www.phpinc.biz/clutchbleed.html
See if that helps.
Mike
http://www.phpinc.biz/clutchbleed.html
See if that helps.
Mike
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! "Has someone cooked up a cable actuated clutch in these cars???"
yup.. go with the complete LT1 setup. the splines are the same. you'll have to change the bell housing, as it's diffrent as well as the pedal, slave, TOB, clutch PP, anyway. somone needs to do this.
yup.. go with the complete LT1 setup. the splines are the same. you'll have to change the bell housing, as it's diffrent as well as the pedal, slave, TOB, clutch PP, anyway. somone needs to do this.
Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!!
"Has someone cooked up a cable actuated clutch in these cars???"
yup.. go with the complete LT1 setup. the splines are the same. you'll have to change the bell housing, as it's diffrent as well as the pedal, slave, TOB, clutch PP, anyway. somone needs to do this.
yup.. go with the complete LT1 setup. the splines are the same. you'll have to change the bell housing, as it's diffrent as well as the pedal, slave, TOB, clutch PP, anyway. somone needs to do this.
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! I'm telling you I went through exactly this with 3 differnt masters for a long time. Same thing black fluid couldn't hit the next gear. The new masters would work for a few weeks then back to the same ****.
I finally put in a mcleod master. So far so good buts its only been in there a short while. If this one messes up on me I'm buying a M4. I'm tired of screwing with the shitty hydraulics on this car.
I think the big problem is that we are trying to push on the high pressure, pressure plate with stock hydraulics and they cant take it so they go bad. IE: getting air in them. When you bleed it its all good for a week or two then the same thing over again.
All of the adjustable masters besides the Mcleod are just stock masters with an adjustable arm. McLeod is actually a better master its all billet and pushes more fluid.
The drill mod has to be done I cooked my first clutch by not doing it. The design of the stock setup was to return the fluid slowly as to not cause a bucking if someone released the clutch too fast. What happens is when you release the clutch the fuid will not rush back fast but it is goes back in slowly because the hole is too small. This actually causes the clutch to slip. If you throw a lot of power at it it will slip even more eventually messing up the pressure plate and flywheel..
Good luck I would go for the mcleod adj master if I was you. I've been where you are and it sucks.
Rob
I finally put in a mcleod master. So far so good buts its only been in there a short while. If this one messes up on me I'm buying a M4. I'm tired of screwing with the shitty hydraulics on this car.
I think the big problem is that we are trying to push on the high pressure, pressure plate with stock hydraulics and they cant take it so they go bad. IE: getting air in them. When you bleed it its all good for a week or two then the same thing over again.
All of the adjustable masters besides the Mcleod are just stock masters with an adjustable arm. McLeod is actually a better master its all billet and pushes more fluid.
The drill mod has to be done I cooked my first clutch by not doing it. The design of the stock setup was to return the fluid slowly as to not cause a bucking if someone released the clutch too fast. What happens is when you release the clutch the fuid will not rush back fast but it is goes back in slowly because the hole is too small. This actually causes the clutch to slip. If you throw a lot of power at it it will slip even more eventually messing up the pressure plate and flywheel..
Good luck I would go for the mcleod adj master if I was you. I've been where you are and it sucks.
Rob
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Re: WTF!! manual gurus inside please!!! I guess thats what I will do I'm tired of f$cking around with this problem. Who has the best deal on this Mccleod master cylinder???????