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08-01-2012, 06:54 PM
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i may be alone here but im ready to retire...the current AF is certainly not what i joined in 1995.....no offense to the E-1 to E-4's on this forum but i cant stand the mentality of todays airman..the " I didnt join to deploy" , "you cant talk to me like that" .."what are you going to do for me?" generation in todays AF.....alot of it has to do with the promotion rates and how they basically give E-5 away nowdays....seriously....how could you possibly think you are ready to be an NCO and a supervisor at only 4 to 5 years of service....with the way the smart *** airman are now days, they mow over the new staff sergeants like nothing because those ssgt's havent had enough time in to learn how to lead and stand up to those airman...
As a SNCO if you notice a problem with an Airman and TSgt or SSgt Snuffy isnt doing anything about it, what are you doing to hold the TSgt/SSgt accountable?
Depending on what rank/position you hold, if you are putting your troop in check, he will be doing the same. People who violate regs, are dis-respectful, or just don't meet standards will either correct the behaivor or be out the front gate if YOU are doing your job.
Its hard to blame to the young Airmen or even the young NCOs because its been the this way for years. Anyone remember the great SSgt give away in 2001? Yes...Most of those are the TSgts and alot of those are now MSgts! Did they grow into the positions? Some did, Some didnt....
08-01-2012, 07:16 PM
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AWWWWWWW did i hurt you feelings? You mad bro?
So your telling me a guy that did all that **** and no one knew about it? ******* pathetic if you ask me, one of the reasons why the younger gen of AF are a bunch of *****, and yes TI's do make people look bad i don't know how many airman I've locked up and or kicked out because they some how made there way in the AF because TI's were soft on them and there lack of respect.
So your telling me a guy that did all that **** and no one knew about it? ******* pathetic if you ask me, one of the reasons why the younger gen of AF are a bunch of *****, and yes TI's do make people look bad i don't know how many airman I've locked up and or kicked out because they some how made there way in the AF because TI's were soft on them and there lack of respect.
08-01-2012, 07:44 PM
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you are correct to an extent...as the saying goes "you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink".....yes, some supervision up to the top can in fact be the problem but when the new airman are instilled with all these "rights" when they come up through BMT and Tech training they get this false sense of security thinking that they can challenge whatever they are told. .all these agencies airman can go to now to bitch and complain or report their bosses for things that hurt their feelings...this is the military for gods sake and the AF is going the polar opposite and following the "corporate" world.....i remember the "shut the **** up and color saying when i was coming up in the AF in the mid 90's..i made SSgt in 2000 and sewed on in 2001.....when i came in, there were SrA with 7-8 years TIS and that was the norm...you RESPECTED SrA back then...nowdays you can hardly get respect as an E5 or E6 ......who's fault is is? sometimes the supervisor, the flight chief or even the commander.....the problem i really see nowdays thinking about it are the SNCO's that dont back up their junior NCO's....is your spine removed when given E7? seems to me this is the route the SNCO corp is heading....the bad part is the Airman see this and know they can just go cry the blues to your boss and get what they want....this is how it is here at least..i deal with Tech school students along with training 5 and 7 level's as well in my job...we do our best to reshape our students into good airman and NCO's but one person can only do so much.....its frustrating and im glad i retire in 2015.....middle management in the AF (SSgt-TSgt) are the whipping boys of the enlisted corp..
The issue really goes all the way up the chain. Its not the Amn, its the NCOs, their supervisors, and SNCOs. Who is enforcing the standards? If the young SSgts are not putting their subordinates in line, obviously their supervisor isnt doing it either.
As a SNCO if you notice a problem with an Airman and TSgt or SSgt Snuffy isnt doing anything about it, what are you doing to hold the TSgt/SSgt accountable?
Depending on what rank/position you hold, if you are putting your troop in check, he will be doing the same. People who violate regs, are dis-respectful, or just don't meet standards will either correct the behaivor or be out the front gate if YOU are doing your job.
Its hard to blame to the young Airmen or even the young NCOs because its been the this way for years. Anyone remember the great SSgt give away in 2001? Yes...Most of those are the TSgts and alot of those are now MSgts! Did they grow into the positions? Some did, Some didnt....
As a SNCO if you notice a problem with an Airman and TSgt or SSgt Snuffy isnt doing anything about it, what are you doing to hold the TSgt/SSgt accountable?
Depending on what rank/position you hold, if you are putting your troop in check, he will be doing the same. People who violate regs, are dis-respectful, or just don't meet standards will either correct the behaivor or be out the front gate if YOU are doing your job.
Its hard to blame to the young Airmen or even the young NCOs because its been the this way for years. Anyone remember the great SSgt give away in 2001? Yes...Most of those are the TSgts and alot of those are now MSgts! Did they grow into the positions? Some did, Some didnt....
08-01-2012, 07:47 PM
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as a tech training instructor that explains alot...i dont know how many times we ask new students "how in the hell did to manage to make it through BMT?"
1 thing I can say where you are clueless on our job here, is sometimes we cant get rid of the crappy recruits. If anyone in our CoC above the flight MTI is worried about attrition, then we dont recycle the trainee no matter what. The first year I was here it didnt matter what they did or didnt do, they graduated. Hows that our fault, its not thats a plain and simple failure of the system.
08-01-2012, 08:15 PM
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You just said it! "SNCOs don't back you up". Thats my point. A failure in the chain.
I agree the AF is transitioning to a corporate style. I have attended many of these new seminars. The goal of "leading the troops to WANT to do their job and do it well" rather than the ole school of "shut up and color" mentality. Obviously you can't change everyone and we have to see they find the door and it does take the support of the entire chain.
I don't know where it comes from, but I'm sick of hearing people having to defend the "3" or "4" EPRs they write let alone a markdown.
As a single person, we can't change the entire AF, but if we all handle whats in our span of control we can make a difference for the better.
I agree the AF is transitioning to a corporate style. I have attended many of these new seminars. The goal of "leading the troops to WANT to do their job and do it well" rather than the ole school of "shut up and color" mentality. Obviously you can't change everyone and we have to see they find the door and it does take the support of the entire chain.
I don't know where it comes from, but I'm sick of hearing people having to defend the "3" or "4" EPRs they write let alone a markdown.
As a single person, we can't change the entire AF, but if we all handle whats in our span of control we can make a difference for the better.
08-01-2012, 08:27 PM
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well said!!!! 
You just said it! "SNCOs don't back you up". Thats my point. A failure in the chain.
I agree the AF is transitioning to a corporate style. I have attended many of these new seminars. The goal of "leading the troops to WANT to do their job and do it well" rather than the ole school of "shut up and color" mentality. Obviously you can't change everyone and we have to see they find the door and it does take the support of the entire chain.
I don't know where it comes from, but I'm sick of hearing people having to defend the "3" or "4" EPRs they write let alone a markdown.
As a single person, we can't change the entire AF, but if we all handle whats in our span of control we can make a difference for the better.
I agree the AF is transitioning to a corporate style. I have attended many of these new seminars. The goal of "leading the troops to WANT to do their job and do it well" rather than the ole school of "shut up and color" mentality. Obviously you can't change everyone and we have to see they find the door and it does take the support of the entire chain.
I don't know where it comes from, but I'm sick of hearing people having to defend the "3" or "4" EPRs they write let alone a markdown.
As a single person, we can't change the entire AF, but if we all handle whats in our span of control we can make a difference for the better.
08-13-2012, 02:29 PM
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SrA here. Just hit my 3 year mark, and missed the cutoff date to test for Staff this year by 8 days. I'm at Little Rock as 1C7x1, Airfield Management. Just got done with Honor Guard, I loved it. I'm just crossing my fingers to get overseas!!! I've been constantly applying for every slot available to no avail yet.
08-13-2012, 03:52 PM
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I see your parked at the Post office now and again the one with the Z06 wheels right?, the few other fbodys I have seen have been a black T/A that sounds cammed, and the SOM Z28 that sits at the abandon gas station and doesn't move..
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08-15-2012, 11:37 PM
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you are correct to an extent...as the saying goes "you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink".....yes, some supervision up to the top can in fact be the problem but when the new airman are instilled with all these "rights" when they come up through BMT and Tech training they get this false sense of security thinking that they can challenge whatever they are told. .all these agencies airman can go to now to bitch and complain or report their bosses for things that hurt their feelings...this is the military for gods sake and the AF is going the polar opposite and following the "corporate" world.....i remember the "shut the **** up and color saying when i was coming up in the AF in the mid 90's..i made SSgt in 2000 and sewed on in 2001.....when i came in, there were SrA with 7-8 years TIS and that was the norm...you RESPECTED SrA back then...nowdays you can hardly get respect as an E5 or E6 ......who's fault is is? sometimes the supervisor, the flight chief or even the commander.....the problem i really see nowdays thinking about it are the SNCO's that dont back up their junior NCO's....is your spine removed when given E7? seems to me this is the route the SNCO corp is heading....the bad part is the Airman see this and know they can just go cry the blues to your boss and get what they want....this is how it is here at least..i deal with Tech school students along with training 5 and 7 level's as well in my job...we do our best to reshape our students into good airman and NCO's but one person can only do so much.....its frustrating and im glad i retire in 2015.....middle management in the AF (SSgt-TSgt) are the whipping boys of the enlisted corp..
08-26-2012, 04:53 AM
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What roads? I'm at Mildenhall and I don't have my f-body here with me but I've got an STI and all these roads just give me a headache. I miss having a canyon road just 5 miles from my house, these roads suck imo.
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OP- I'm a Shady J guy as well, just deployed right now with the Rockets. I don't have an F body, just an ugly orange loud Pontiac G8.
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08-28-2012, 08:03 AM
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^ That's it Pipe get him. I'm so tired of the TI jokes because of a few **** heads. I held a hell of a position that I will always be proud of for 5 years as an Air Force MTI. Now I'm just a regular ol AGE guy again lost in some God forsaken country for what doesn't seem like any real reason.
OP- I'm a Shady J guy as well, just deployed right now with the Rockets. I don't have an F body, just an ugly orange loud Pontiac G8.
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OP- I'm a Shady J guy as well, just deployed right now with the Rockets. I don't have an F body, just an ugly orange loud Pontiac G8.
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08-28-2012, 03:01 PM
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right on....i know a few guys from Age..one of them is an instructor with me...
i have 1 more year of instructor duty and i get to submit my BOP tomorrow hopefully in 2 weeks i find out im getting orders out west to Luke or Nellis...ive been at seymour since 2001...im fed up with it
i have 1 more year of instructor duty and i get to submit my BOP tomorrow hopefully in 2 weeks i find out im getting orders out west to Luke or Nellis...ive been at seymour since 2001...im fed up with it
^ That's it Pipe get him. I'm so tired of the TI jokes because of a few **** heads. I held a hell of a position that I will always be proud of for 5 years as an Air Force MTI. Now I'm just a regular ol AGE guy again lost in some God forsaken country for what doesn't seem like any real reason.
OP- I'm a Shady J guy as well, just deployed right now with the Rockets. I don't have an F body, just an ugly orange loud Pontiac G8.
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OP- I'm a Shady J guy as well, just deployed right now with the Rockets. I don't have an F body, just an ugly orange loud Pontiac G8.
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