AWD doesn't always = traction
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Originally Posted by WRX-ERROR
http://www.rigoliracing.com.au
They also have a 500awhp WRX completely street legal that ran 9.98@141mph. These guys just know how to use the power they got. I just don't see why AMS needs 1k awhp to run 8's and 800awhp to run 9's.
They also have a 500awhp WRX completely street legal that ran 9.98@141mph. These guys just know how to use the power they got. I just don't see why AMS needs 1k awhp to run 8's and 800awhp to run 9's.
Originally Posted by tsiguy
After doing some more browsing on their site I found that their fastest scoobies are RWD and not AWD. Still cool as hell though.
I saw that as well. So again we are back to square one. A full out racecar is making less power and going faster than a HIGHLY modified street car. They are in two different leagues so comparing them and asking why AMS needs more power seem obvious to me.
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From: Wilkes Barre, Pa
Originally Posted by tsiguy
After doing some more browsing on their site I found that their fastest scoobies are RWD and not AWD. Still cool as hell though.
Their 8.3 second WRX is AWD and gets a 1.23 60'
Slicks on the front..
Sam Rigoli ( http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1&postcount=56 )
Hi all,
Just thought i'll clear a few things up about the car. It is still 4WD and is 4WD for the entire run. This box we have been developing for the last 6 months has a larger billet output shaft which makes the box full time RWD and activates drive to the front wheels through a clutch pack that can be switched on from inside the car, when activated it is 50/50 locked. We have tried racing in RWD but we lose control after half track as we don't have a large enough tyre for the power we are making. The car weighs 2657lbs with driver and 70% of this weight is over the front tyres so it needs to stay 4WD to get traction. The car still launches hard as there is always drive to the rear. Our best 60ft at the moment is a 1.23. The big improvements in times we have made this year have been due to suspension work and further development with the converter. From when this car first ran an 8.9 to now the engine power has been left the same. We've got another meeting in two weeks then the new setup goes in, our 2.9lt block with a larger turbo. The only part of the drivetrain that isn't subaru is the rear diff, we even use a standard subaru two piece prop shaft.
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From: Wilkes Barre, Pa
Originally Posted by boostedinaz
I saw that as well. So again we are back to square one. A full out racecar is making less power and going faster than a HIGHLY modified street car. They are in two different leagues so comparing them and asking why AMS needs more power seem obvious to me.
Like I said I'm not knocking AMS EVO. It's amasing how much hp that car puts out for only being an inline 4 but I think upping the hp before milking the EVO for everything it has is a mistake. This is from the quote above. "The big improvements in times we have made this year have been due to suspension work and further development with the converter. From when this car first ran an 8.9 to now the engine power has been left the same.".. I think they have the right idea.. 0.6 seconds with the same hp but working on putting the power to the ground.
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That is a very trick set up WRX-ERROR. Is their 500awhp wrx a standard AWD system with an interior/not gutted?
At this point, I think we're comparing apples to oranges with the AMS EVO and Rigoli WRX, but his cars are mean as hell, so screw it
At this point, I think we're comparing apples to oranges with the AMS EVO and Rigoli WRX, but his cars are mean as hell, so screw it
Originally Posted by WRX-ERROR
While I agree with that they have a 9's 500awhp street legal 2002 WRX. Still doesn't explain why the AMS EVO isn't already into the 8's with their 800+AWHP..
Like I said I'm not knocking AMS EVO. It's amasing how much hp that car puts out for only being an inline 4 but I think upping the hp before milking the EVO for everything it has is a mistake. This is from the quote above. "The big improvements in times we have made this year have been due to suspension work and further development with the converter. From when this car first ran an 8.9 to now the engine power has been left the same.".. I think they have the right idea.. 0.6 seconds with the same hp but working on putting the power to the ground.
Like I said I'm not knocking AMS EVO. It's amasing how much hp that car puts out for only being an inline 4 but I think upping the hp before milking the EVO for everything it has is a mistake. This is from the quote above. "The big improvements in times we have made this year have been due to suspension work and further development with the converter. From when this car first ran an 8.9 to now the engine power has been left the same.".. I think they have the right idea.. 0.6 seconds with the same hp but working on putting the power to the ground.
I had a buddy that was an above average driver. He had a 99 Z28 that put 850 to the wheels through a 6 speed. He couldn't get the car into the 9's at all no matter what he tried. He did this for well over three months and many many passes. After much frustration he then switched to a TH400 with no brake and skipped all the way to low 9's in three passes. He has since improved but you can see that an automatic is a big improvemnt for a drag car. Same goe's for the fastest 6 speed viper. They switched in a glide and picked almost 3 10th's. That is a huge gain whe you are already in the mid to low 8's.
HP number do not dictate any ET. Sure a car with big HP number should run good times, but some cars, rules, owners wants, weight, and a host of other things can make it more difficult to get the time they are "supposed" to attain.
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TECH Junkie
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From: CHITOWN
Its nothing like Rwd, rwd is much easyer to control when your "Skating".......How can you control TQ steer and then at the same time the car wants to skate thats hard!
Ive scene awd guys making huge power, the car does a mix of fwd and rear would.
It will TQ steer you towareds the wall, and the the rear end wants to step out its hard to control. You can see that happening in the video, and its a shake down pass.
Ive scene awd guys making huge power, the car does a mix of fwd and rear would.
It will TQ steer you towareds the wall, and the the rear end wants to step out its hard to control. You can see that happening in the video, and its a shake down pass.
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From: CHITOWN
Scooby guys also have alot more aftermarket stuff when it comes to diffs, DOGBOXs and other things.
Yes mistus do have a after market for those items but not as much as scooby guys, and mind you awd turbo cars in the us havent been around as long.
The aussie guys are fucken nuts, and have been tinkering with awd turbo cars for alot longer than we have.
Yes mistus do have a after market for those items but not as much as scooby guys, and mind you awd turbo cars in the us havent been around as long.
The aussie guys are fucken nuts, and have been tinkering with awd turbo cars for alot longer than we have.
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From: CHITOWN
There is a auto tranny for the evo it comes in the evo wagon in japan, im sure one day they will switch to that setup.
Eric from ams with the white 1G took out his fully built trans and clutch setup in favor of a auto setup. The car is running faster with the auto and its runs better times better.
I wish I was auto, but the IPT trans setup isnt cheap but well worth the money to me.....
Eric from ams with the white 1G took out his fully built trans and clutch setup in favor of a auto setup. The car is running faster with the auto and its runs better times better.
I wish I was auto, but the IPT trans setup isnt cheap but well worth the money to me.....
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From: conroe/woodlands, texas
Originally Posted by WRX-ERROR
No not true.. They can switch it to RWD for the burnouts but the car is AWD.. Why else would it have slicks on the front? I know this cause the owner of the car came to NASIOC and explained it..
Their 8.3 second WRX is AWD and gets a 1.23 60'
Slicks on the front..
Sam Rigoli ( http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1&postcount=56 )
Hi all,
Just thought i'll clear a few things up about the car. It is still 4WD and is 4WD for the entire run. This box we have been developing for the last 6 months has a larger billet output shaft which makes the box full time RWD and activates drive to the front wheels through a clutch pack that can be switched on from inside the car, when activated it is 50/50 locked. We have tried racing in RWD but we lose control after half track as we don't have a large enough tyre for the power we are making. The car weighs 2657lbs with driver and 70% of this weight is over the front tyres so it needs to stay 4WD to get traction. The car still launches hard as there is always drive to the rear. Our best 60ft at the moment is a 1.23. The big improvements in times we have made this year have been due to suspension work and further development with the converter. From when this car first ran an 8.9 to now the engine power has been left the same. We've got another meeting in two weeks then the new setup goes in, our 2.9lt block with a larger turbo. The only part of the drivetrain that isn't subaru is the rear diff, we even use a standard subaru two piece prop shaft.
Their 8.3 second WRX is AWD and gets a 1.23 60'
Slicks on the front..
Sam Rigoli ( http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1&postcount=56 )
Hi all,
Just thought i'll clear a few things up about the car. It is still 4WD and is 4WD for the entire run. This box we have been developing for the last 6 months has a larger billet output shaft which makes the box full time RWD and activates drive to the front wheels through a clutch pack that can be switched on from inside the car, when activated it is 50/50 locked. We have tried racing in RWD but we lose control after half track as we don't have a large enough tyre for the power we are making. The car weighs 2657lbs with driver and 70% of this weight is over the front tyres so it needs to stay 4WD to get traction. The car still launches hard as there is always drive to the rear. Our best 60ft at the moment is a 1.23. The big improvements in times we have made this year have been due to suspension work and further development with the converter. From when this car first ran an 8.9 to now the engine power has been left the same. We've got another meeting in two weeks then the new setup goes in, our 2.9lt block with a larger turbo. The only part of the drivetrain that isn't subaru is the rear diff, we even use a standard subaru two piece prop shaft.
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From: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted by REDSS01
I bet that WRX is atleast 800 pounds lighter than the AMS EVO. It doen't look like a full weight street car to me, still badass though.
The car weighs 2657lbs with driver
Originally Posted by blck89rs
so automatically if you take out and put in a manual trans its instantly a race car? cause my car has a built th350(nothing insane) and 4.56's and its still a street car?
No one is saying that one specific tranny makes your car a street or race car, that is up to the driver to decide.
Teching In
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From: Milehigh, Colorado
Originally Posted by KFK
My Typhoon did that on the street. Its no fun you can't control when the front is sliding too.
X'2....torque steer is a bitch, ive had the sterring wheel total turned to the right, still going left......
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Originally Posted by WRX-ERROR
No not true.. They can switch it to RWD for the burnouts but the car is AWD.. Why else would it have slicks on the front? I know this cause the owner of the car came to NASIOC and explained it..
Their 8.3 second WRX is AWD and gets a 1.23 60'
Slicks on the front..
Sam Rigoli ( http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1&postcount=56 )
Hi all,
Just thought i'll clear a few things up about the car. It is still 4WD and is 4WD for the entire run. This box we have been developing for the last 6 months has a larger billet output shaft which makes the box full time RWD and activates drive to the front wheels through a clutch pack that can be switched on from inside the car, when activated it is 50/50 locked. We have tried racing in RWD but we lose control after half track as we don't have a large enough tyre for the power we are making. The car weighs 2657lbs with driver and 70% of this weight is over the front tyres so it needs to stay 4WD to get traction. The car still launches hard as there is always drive to the rear. Our best 60ft at the moment is a 1.23. The big improvements in times we have made this year have been due to suspension work and further development with the converter. From when this car first ran an 8.9 to now the engine power has been left the same. We've got another meeting in two weeks then the new setup goes in, our 2.9lt block with a larger turbo. The only part of the drivetrain that isn't subaru is the rear diff, we even use a standard subaru two piece prop shaft.
Their 8.3 second WRX is AWD and gets a 1.23 60'
Slicks on the front..
Sam Rigoli ( http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1&postcount=56 )
Hi all,
Just thought i'll clear a few things up about the car. It is still 4WD and is 4WD for the entire run. This box we have been developing for the last 6 months has a larger billet output shaft which makes the box full time RWD and activates drive to the front wheels through a clutch pack that can be switched on from inside the car, when activated it is 50/50 locked. We have tried racing in RWD but we lose control after half track as we don't have a large enough tyre for the power we are making. The car weighs 2657lbs with driver and 70% of this weight is over the front tyres so it needs to stay 4WD to get traction. The car still launches hard as there is always drive to the rear. Our best 60ft at the moment is a 1.23. The big improvements in times we have made this year have been due to suspension work and further development with the converter. From when this car first ran an 8.9 to now the engine power has been left the same. We've got another meeting in two weeks then the new setup goes in, our 2.9lt block with a larger turbo. The only part of the drivetrain that isn't subaru is the rear diff, we even use a standard subaru two piece prop shaft.
I stopped reading in pg 3...
COMNBYU and others who are bashing this car are tools. It is obviously in the testing/tuning stage of a build. How the **** do you expect to build an 8 second import???? Just throw it together and WALLA.....8 seconds....NO. To call it "useless" is ridiculous, I'm sure they are seeing where it is at and will make necessary adjustments. Did you think they are just gonna load it up on the trailor and call it a wrap??? WTF? I'm not waisting anymore of my finger strength in this thread.
COMNBYU and others who are bashing this car are tools. It is obviously in the testing/tuning stage of a build. How the **** do you expect to build an 8 second import???? Just throw it together and WALLA.....8 seconds....NO. To call it "useless" is ridiculous, I'm sure they are seeing where it is at and will make necessary adjustments. Did you think they are just gonna load it up on the trailor and call it a wrap??? WTF? I'm not waisting anymore of my finger strength in this thread.