5th gear review of the GT500
10-26-2006, 11:05 AM
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I'll take a 911 turbo anyday over a Z06 c6(only 30,000 more)!
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What you fail to realize is that, producing a motor that has already been in production,old in technology isnt that hard to produce cheaply.
What you fail to realize is that pushrod engines are alot lighter and less bulky than those technologically advanced OHC. OHC and pushrod have both been around for about the same amount of time.
Originally Posted by 25psi
Basically if you think about it 7.0 liters is a huge motor for only producing 500hp.
HP/Liter = gayest argument ever. 
10-26-2006, 11:14 AM
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Call it what you want, but it takes a 5.7 liter to make 25 more hp than a 3.5 liter 350z. Where as most v6 domestics make 200-220. S2000 makes more than a v6 camaro,mustang,etc.... Instead of cramming a large motor into a light vehicle, it would make more sense to utilize a smaller motor and maximize it.
10-26-2006, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Not true. But hey what does the American market have to offer besides the vette, namely the Z06. Somethimes you get spoiled when trying to compare Enzos,Ferraris,Lambos,Nobles,Porshe,BMW,Mercedes,e tc..... The American market is just now getting the interior right. Also keep in mind that the Domestic market isnt about handling, moreso than cramping the biggest size motor you can fit in a car.
10-26-2006, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Call it what you want, but it takes a 5.7 liter to make 25 more hp than a 3.5 liter 350z. Where as most v6 domestics make 200-220. S2000 makes more than a v6 camaro,mustang,etc.... Instead of cramming a large motor into a light vehicle, it would make more sense to utilize a smaller motor and maximize it.
10-26-2006, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Call it what you want, but it takes a 5.7 liter to make 25 more hp than a 3.5 liter 350z. Where as most v6 domestics make 200-220. S2000 makes more than a v6 camaro,mustang,etc.... Instead of cramming a large motor into a light vehicle, it would make more sense to utilize a smaller motor and maximize it.
Newer V-8's are around 350-400 hp, while newer V-6's are 200-285.
Plus, the new LS based engines are light. The 6.0 Liter 365 Cubic Inch LS2 is 400hp/400 tq, and weigh's near what my Cast Iron LT1 does.
Just look at the new big blocks... The GM 572. That bitch cranks out 720 hp/750 tq N/A, and revs up kind of high too.
And thats not even workin' the engine...
10-26-2006, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BLOODTA
Nope, I based my knowledge on those Exact times that I posted earlier. And no, I don't believe the Supra is the fastest car in the world, as we all know, it's the Mustang, V6 or V8 it doesn't matter. And yes, I've heard of the recalls from Ferrari, but you can't say that Any American car has half the build quaility of the European Elite. Porshe, Ferrari, BMW, or Mercedes. I'll revise my statement this much, Outside of a car that costs half a million and the Ford GT, no car comes close, remember the car costs $65K.The CGT is only a .10 faster to 60,the Zonda F isn't quite as quick to 60.
This is a qoute from someone who works at a benz dealership.
I was an MB salesman for the last 10 years..........I feel your pain. I would never buy a Benz built in the last 5 years.
Heres another qoute for you about the excellent quality.
Mercedes Benz' recent quality ranking:
30 out of 33......
The bright side is they can't fall more than 3 more places....
30 out of 33......
The bright side is they can't fall more than 3 more places....
10-26-2006, 01:57 PM
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The bigger your motor doesnt necessarily represent more hp and torque. Becuase you have a 7.0 liter V8 motor, doesnt mean you'll make more torque per/lb vs a 3.5 liter V6.
You are thinking becuase you have a v8, that you will crank out more torque. Not true! Let me ask you this. Which do you think will make more power. A 3.5 liter V6 or a 3.0 liter V8?
69 Mach. It's not that simple to calculate which you think is faster being all things equal. If you had a 5.0 liter 4cyl vs a 5.0 liter V8 in the same car, I'll put my money on the 4cyl. For one, you will have a higher revving motor. Two, less rotation mass. Three, lighter internal parts. Four, a more even distribution to place the motor in the car. Dont think just becuase you have a V8 you make more torque, that a theiry my friend. Stop looking at Hondas as your benchmark for this discussion.
My 350z made 412rwhp and 478ftlb of torque at 8psi. So whats your point?
You are thinking becuase you have a v8, that you will crank out more torque. Not true! Let me ask you this. Which do you think will make more power. A 3.5 liter V6 or a 3.0 liter V8?
69 Mach. It's not that simple to calculate which you think is faster being all things equal. If you had a 5.0 liter 4cyl vs a 5.0 liter V8 in the same car, I'll put my money on the 4cyl. For one, you will have a higher revving motor. Two, less rotation mass. Three, lighter internal parts. Four, a more even distribution to place the motor in the car. Dont think just becuase you have a V8 you make more torque, that a theiry my friend. Stop looking at Hondas as your benchmark for this discussion.
My 350z made 412rwhp and 478ftlb of torque at 8psi. So whats your point?
10-26-2006, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
The bigger your motor doesnt necessarily represent more hp and torque.
But either way more cubes = more torque.
My LT1 may not push a crazy amount of torque, close to about 360 now, but it does so effortlessly, which is something a true V-8 lover looks for.
I can take off quick, lunging forward with very little throttle. Thats what makes a V-8 a V-8. Effortless power.
You'd have to rev a smaller engine to keep up.
Yes smaller engines can make big torque numbers too but they gotta work for it.
Either way, more cubes = more torque.
10-26-2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by burnzilla
In some cases yeah... you can have a smaller engine with more output... primarily because of technology...
But either way more cubes = more torque.
My LT1 may not push a crazy amount of torque, close to about 360 now, but it does so effortlessly, which is something a true V-8 lover looks for.
I can take off quick, lunging forward with very little throttle. Thats what makes a V-8 a V-8. Effortless power.
You'd have to rev a smaller engine to keep up.
Yes smaller engines can make big torque numbers too but they gotta work for it.
Either way, more cubes = more torque.
But either way more cubes = more torque.
My LT1 may not push a crazy amount of torque, close to about 360 now, but it does so effortlessly, which is something a true V-8 lover looks for.
I can take off quick, lunging forward with very little throttle. Thats what makes a V-8 a V-8. Effortless power.
You'd have to rev a smaller engine to keep up.
Yes smaller engines can make big torque numbers too but they gotta work for it.
Either way, more cubes = more torque.
What makes you think my 350z does not make power effortlessly? I dont make 478ftlb of torque at 5-6000rpm, try 3800-4000 rpm. When does your peak torque occur?
10-26-2006, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
The bigger your motor doesnt necessarily represent more hp and torque. Becuase you have a 7.0 liter V8 motor, doesnt mean you'll make more torque per/lb vs a 3.5 liter V6.
You are thinking becuase you have a v8, that you will crank out more torque. Not true! Let me ask you this. Which do you think will make more power. A 3.5 liter V6 or a 3.0 liter V8?
69 Mach. It's not that simple to calculate which you think is faster being all things equal. If you had a 5.0 liter 4cyl vs a 5.0 liter V8 in the same car, I'll put my money on the 4cyl. For one, you will have a higher revving motor. Two, less rotation mass. Three, lighter internal parts. Four, a more even distribution to place the motor in the car. Dont think just becuase you have a V8 you make more torque, that a theiry my friend. Stop looking at Hondas as your benchmark for this discussion.
My 350z made 412rwhp and 478ftlb of torque at 8psi. So whats your point?
You are thinking becuase you have a v8, that you will crank out more torque. Not true! Let me ask you this. Which do you think will make more power. A 3.5 liter V6 or a 3.0 liter V8?
69 Mach. It's not that simple to calculate which you think is faster being all things equal. If you had a 5.0 liter 4cyl vs a 5.0 liter V8 in the same car, I'll put my money on the 4cyl. For one, you will have a higher revving motor. Two, less rotation mass. Three, lighter internal parts. Four, a more even distribution to place the motor in the car. Dont think just becuase you have a V8 you make more torque, that a theiry my friend. Stop looking at Hondas as your benchmark for this discussion.
My 350z made 412rwhp and 478ftlb of torque at 8psi. So whats your point?
10-26-2006, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Call it what you want, but it takes a 5.7 liter to make 25 more hp than a 3.5 liter 350z. Where as most v6 domestics make 200-220. S2000 makes more than a v6 camaro,mustang,etc.... Instead of cramming a large motor into a light vehicle, it would make more sense to utilize a smaller motor and maximize it.
10-26-2006, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
I'll take a 911 turbo anyday over a Z06 c6(only 30,000 more)! What you fail to realize is that, producing a motor that has already been in production,old in technology isnt that hard to produce cheaply. Basically if you think about it 7.0 liters is a huge motor for only producing 500hp. If the S2000 where to have a 7 liter motor, it would produce in upwards of 700hp. Since where on technology, why is it that every car company now utilizes some form of VVTI excluding the vette. People sit here and talk about Hondas/Acuras, but, some domestic car companies have converted to some form of Vtech.
Why are you even here?
10-26-2006, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MR2liter
chris are you arguing that the VQ is better the an LS1?
No thats not what I am trying to say, but hey, the VQ has one 5 years straight.
No, but honestly I'm trying to say, just becuase you have a larger motor doesnt net you more torque. For instance, like my previous statement what would net you more power, a 5.0 liter 4cyl or a 5.0 liter v8 in the same car.
Heres an example:
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp
Which one is bigger. See my point! So it is a preference for me to make peak hp at higher rpm's. If I am wrong, please prove me wrong and I will apologize."
I would rather have torque in higher rpm's with a linear curve than peak hp down low. What if you had an engine that made 10,000ft/lbs of torque easily. But it ran at 1rpm. (10000ft/lbs * 1rpm) / 5252 = 1.904 hp. I would love to see you run a tractor through the quarter mile!
10-26-2006, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 11 Bravo
Quite the dyno racer lol. There's more to engine performance than a peak dyno number.
My objective here is not to point out peak numbers, but to illustrate to you that you don't necessarily need a huge motor to gain max hp and torque. Becuase you have a 522 ci motor, doesnt mean you'll make peak torque faster.