ZO6 might need more power, Viper gets more power 08(pics)
01-01-2007, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Gauge
This sounds like a ricer talking. The Viper is a superior car. It's no surprise considering the additional cost, but it's still a better car in general. There's no need to go to all the effort to make the 'vette sound better. Give props where they're due.
01-01-2007, 05:27 PM
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Why not utilize what you have under the hood, instead of bumping up the displacement? Those are huge motors for only producing 500 and 600hp. And the torque of the viper is pathetic. 8.4 liters and producing less torque than you do hp. Bmw has a 10cyl 5.0 liter motor that makes 500hp and nearly 400ftlb with a 8250rpm redline. If Chevy and Dodge would take a different approach and use dohc setups or some for of vvt, they would see better results performance wise. Most exotic and performace cars use almost half the displacement and offer better performance. Please dont you cost as a factor becuase this is about supply and demand.
01-01-2007, 05:33 PM
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I love ZO6s, Cobras, VIPERS ect. ect. Me personally, I like the Viper the most ( you may Love the ZO6). They all make tons of power, and they all do it in Diff. ways. I think a lot of people think one car should always be on top or that the car they like can never be slower then the car they like least, but this is never going to happen( for some of you, sorry but the truth hurts). It seems that almost every car has had its moment in the spotlight or is going to have its moment in the spotlight, but it's usually just that,, A Moment( I think the Viper was the fastest production car when it came out but it did't last long,,,Don't quote me though). As soon as a newer faster car comes out or is revamped it is already out dated, in some aspects. There is always a newer faster computer coming out everyday, same thing for cars ( be it just a F-body car being modded or just a new car being drawn up on paper by a company). By the time they have a new super car ready for production there is already another company coming up with a newer super car. It's all the same. So, after all that,, I like the New Viper and think that the extra power shall give it the edge against a C6-ZO6, but for now untill it comes out, The C6-ZO6 is the faster toy when it comes to stock for stock. Sorry I write so much, whish I was like this when I was in school 
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01-01-2007, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Why not utilize what you have under the hood, instead of bumping up the displacement? Those are huge motors for only producing 500 and 600hp. And the torque of the viper is pathetic. 8.4 liters and producing less torque than you do hp. Bmw has a 10cyl 5.0 liter motor that makes 500hp and nearly 400ftlb with a 8250rpm redline. If Chevy and Dodge would take a different approach and use dohc setups or some for of vvt, they would see better results performance wise. Most exotic and performace cars use almost half the displacement and offer better performance. Please dont you cost as a factor becuase this is about supply and demand.
01-01-2007, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 69mach
tell that to Kenne bell, but i would much rather have a big displacement engine no doubt.
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01-01-2007, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kaos_
werd. i think ultimately that's what it's all about. bigger motor make bigger power.
. Bigger motor does mean bigger power but emission control makes it hard for a manufacturer to produce the true potential out of an engine b/c of emission constraints. 
01-01-2007, 10:59 PM
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lets not be so close minded, sure the new vette needs a blower to keep up with the viper......but can you imagine the possiblitys?
that would mean that its going to be a forged motor, so now us GM guys can do pulley/tunes and maybe kenne bell's or other forced induction on a vette without having to worry about bottom end
this of course depends if its forged and if you can afford one
that would mean that its going to be a forged motor, so now us GM guys can do pulley/tunes and maybe kenne bell's or other forced induction on a vette without having to worry about bottom end
this of course depends if its forged and if you can afford one
01-01-2007, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Why not utilize what you have under the hood, instead of bumping up the displacement? Those are huge motors for only producing 500 and 600hp. And the torque of the viper is pathetic. 8.4 liters and producing less torque than you do hp. Bmw has a 10cyl 5.0 liter motor that makes 500hp and nearly 400ftlb with a 8250rpm redline. If Chevy and Dodge would take a different approach and use dohc setups or some for of vvt, they would see better results performance wise. Most exotic and performace cars use almost half the displacement and offer better performance. Please dont you cost as a factor becuase this is about supply and demand.
01-01-2007, 11:26 PM
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back on topic, don't think the 600hp for the new viper is etched in stone just yet, there is definitely still more room in the engine to play. Remember viper was king of the American Sports car for the longest, Vette came out and pulled a nice move and beat the viper this last year, dont think it will be that easy this time for Vette.
01-02-2007, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 69mach
Seeing what kenne bell has done with ford modular engines is crazy, I mean 600 hp from a 289cc and 800hp from a 330cc and thats all on stock internals . Bigger motor does mean bigger power but emission control makes it hard for a manufacturer to produce the true potential out of an engine b/c of emission constraints.
. Bigger motor does mean bigger power but emission control makes it hard for a manufacturer to produce the true potential out of an engine b/c of emission constraints.
01-02-2007, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by unit213
I think you meant ci, not cc...and it would be 281ci right.
LOL in my case it would have been a small @ss motor 
I have Jet skis on my mind rite now 
01-02-2007, 08:04 AM
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How much more do you think an aluminum block Dohc motor would be? You can offset that structurely. Meaning, making the body lighter in certain areas. DOHC motors tyopically make more power than OHV or OHC. Chevy could make more power with the same displacement and have a motor that is more effecient. Take a look at the viper. Eventhough they still utilize prehistoric pushrod technology, they incorporated VVTI in there new viper. If I where GM, I would take a closer look at what BMW has done with there M series motors, especially M5 and M6.
01-02-2007, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
How much more do you think an aluminum block Dohc motor would be? You can offset that structurely. Meaning, making the body lighter in certain areas. DOHC motors tyopically make more power than OHV or OHC. Chevy could make more power with the same displacement and have a motor that is more effecient. Take a look at the viper. Eventhough they still utilize prehistoric pushrod technology, they incorporated VVTI in there new viper. If I where GM, I would take a closer look at what BMW has done with there M series motors, especially M5 and M6.
How much heavier would an al. block DOHC engine be? Well lets look at some numbers. We can look at the LS7, which according to this post , weighs 440lbs. While the "high tech" BMW V10 weighs a heafty (Viper V10 like) 530lbs according to BMW.
So if you were GM you would want to spend more to make an engine thats heavier, physically bigger, and with a more peaky torque curve?
If anything BMW needs to take a look at the LS7, and learn that highschool arguments such as hp/l are completely meaningless.
And I love how the stupid OHC fanboys try and rave on the "prehistoric technology" of pushrod engines, although they were introduced AFTER OHC engines...
01-02-2007, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
How much more do you think an aluminum block Dohc motor would be? You can offset that structurely. Meaning, making the body lighter in certain areas. DOHC motors tyopically make more power than OHV or OHC. Chevy could make more power with the same displacement and have a motor that is more effecient. Take a look at the viper. Eventhough they still utilize prehistoric pushrod technology, they incorporated VVTI in there new viper. If I where GM, I would take a closer look at what BMW has done with there M series motors, especially M5 and M6.
You have pics of those cars in your sig or is all that BS???? Just curious!!!
01-02-2007, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 25psi
How much more do you think an aluminum block Dohc motor would be? You can offset that structurely. Meaning, making the body lighter in certain areas. DOHC motors tyopically make more power than OHV or OHC. Chevy could make more power with the same displacement and have a motor that is more effecient. Take a look at the viper. Eventhough they still utilize prehistoric pushrod technology, they incorporated VVTI in there new viper. If I where GM, I would take a closer look at what BMW has done with there M series motors, especially M5 and M6.
prehistoric pushrods?...so you honestly think just because some of GM's best motors dont use vvt and dohc set ups theyre obselete?......well then again go look at the streets,nascar,ihra,nhra,le mans etc....... if you honestly think that the lsx is the same pushrod motor as your dads old 70 chevy pickup then you have alot to learn about the evolution of american muscle.
and its not like GM isnt using vvt the northstar and the ecotec both use it.......and GM is also putting more research into- displacment on demand,awd,hybrids,hydrogen and other alternative fuels.There is no japanese company in the world that has as much diversity as GM when it comes to engines.
