Kenne Bell cobra VS cam sray LS1
06-28-2007, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG_MIKE2005
Nice kill. I love how some people swing from the Cobra nuts. And the fact your running a smaller cam compared to most others, make people call B.S.
But I'll ask this to all the non-believers, "Do you guys also think its impossible for a small 224 cam to carry a full weight M6 into the LOW 11's??" If you say this is impossible also, your a dipshit. And if you couldn't hear the blower whine in either video I suggest a cleartone.
Not to mention the stangs weigh even more than our cars. So you take a small 224 cammed car that can put down 11's on motor & hit it with a 150-75 shot, you have a 10 second car. So with that & the f-body weighing less, you have the outcome you witnessed above.
But I'll ask this to all the non-believers, "Do you guys also think its impossible for a small 224 cam to carry a full weight M6 into the LOW 11's??" If you say this is impossible also, your a dipshit. And if you couldn't hear the blower whine in either video I suggest a cleartone.
Not to mention the stangs weigh even more than our cars. So you take a small 224 cammed car that can put down 11's on motor & hit it with a 150-75 shot, you have a 10 second car. So with that & the f-body weighing less, you have the outcome you witnessed above.
This man speaks the truth!
06-29-2007, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BIG_MIKE2005
Nice kill. I love how some people swing from the Cobra nuts. And the fact your running a smaller cam compared to most others, make people call B.S.
But I'll ask this to all the non-believers, "Do you guys also think its impossible for a small 224 cam to carry a full weight M6 into the LOW 11's??" If you say this is impossible also, your a dipshit. And if you couldn't hear the blower whine in either video I suggest a cleartone.
Not to mention the stangs weigh even more than our cars. So you take a small 224 cammed car that can put down 11's on motor & hit it with a 150-75 shot, you have a 10 second car. So with that & the f-body weighing less, you have the outcome you witnessed above.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...d8010ef941.htm
Not starting **** I have owned both cars and loved them both. My ls1 took about 1500 in mods to run 11.6 at 116 and my cobra took 700 to run 11.7 at 117. The only reason you go to the track and see cobra owners running bad times and the same reason you go to the track and watch ls1 with stuff they should be running 12's and they are running 13's. It's all the setup. suspension,tires,etc.
Reality if you put a cobra on tire a stock with run mid 12's at 108-112. A full bolt cobra no pulley will run high 11's low 12's at 113 to 116 with a pulley mid to low 11's at 115 to 122 depending on the pulley {3.1 10-11 psi,2.93 11-12 psi,2.80 12-13psi,2.76 13-14psi}. Ported blower are a different story because they are like cams to a ls1. Every porter is different also ported blower need lower pulleys to bring the torque back up because it is lost when ported. A ported cobra with run low 11's to high 10's and trap 123-128. Kenne Bell cobra on pump gas which is usually 17 to 19 psi will run high 10's to mid 10's at 126-130. On 21-23 psi in a full weight cobra 10.3-10.5 at 131 to 133 with a 2.2 or 2.4. cams are usually worth about 3 mph. and weight reduction just makes it faster.
Nitrous f-bodies are usually pretty easy to size up. Trap 110 to 115 na on a 150 shot you run 122 to 125. 116 to 120 na you run 126 to 133.
My cobra has a 2.80 pulley ,tune,cai, and flowmaster catback with stock 4 cat h-pipe. Dynod 460/485 and weighted 3820 with me and half a tank of gas. On nittos the best I could get because of wheel hop was a 14.2 at 114. wheel hop is murder for the cobra and I was not looking to breakit, I drive it everyday. I bolted on my et streets left the line at 3k with a 1.9 60ft 11.79 at 117.
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06-29-2007, 11:28 AM
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and for the crackheads that say cobras can't run 10's on stock blower here you go. Full weight ported stock blowers
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9200ec0886.htm
60 shot on a stock ported eaton
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...26c58a6e31.htm
both cars make low 500 rwhp and low 500 rwtq on blower. The nitrous car made 620/705.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9200ec0886.htm
60 shot on a stock ported eaton
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...26c58a6e31.htm
both cars make low 500 rwhp and low 500 rwtq on blower. The nitrous car made 620/705.
06-29-2007, 01:19 PM
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[QUOTE=Clean94Z]I love how people don't pay attention to details like yourself. get your head out of the ls1 a$$ and look at the facts. ls1 is a wicked car but so is the cobra.
Well I personally know a couple people who have busted mid 11's on only 410 RWHP @ full weight. Peak HP isn't always where it's at. The 224 cam makes better power/torque down low which is gonna get you off the line & past the 60' faster than a cam designed to run in high RPM's only.
So 410 RWHP is plenty to see 11's on a good tire @ full weight. If you don't think so you need to do some more research.
And by your math his car on the juice should trap about the same speed as the cobra. But with the Cobra makin more of its power up top, it's gonna be harder to catch a cammed car leaving you at the line & especially harder with the juice on.
He isn't sayin he put bus lengths on him. the distance of the win is about where it should be for his car on juice. It simple as that. I don't swing from the LS1's nuts b/c I have been beat several times. So it's not like I think they can't be beat. It's just that I know what that cam can do with or without juice & TOO many people underestimate it just b/c it's not a big donkey dick cam like many others like to run.
Well I personally know a couple people who have busted mid 11's on only 410 RWHP @ full weight. Peak HP isn't always where it's at. The 224 cam makes better power/torque down low which is gonna get you off the line & past the 60' faster than a cam designed to run in high RPM's only.
So 410 RWHP is plenty to see 11's on a good tire @ full weight. If you don't think so you need to do some more research.
And by your math his car on the juice should trap about the same speed as the cobra. But with the Cobra makin more of its power up top, it's gonna be harder to catch a cammed car leaving you at the line & especially harder with the juice on.
He isn't sayin he put bus lengths on him. the distance of the win is about where it should be for his car on juice. It simple as that. I don't swing from the LS1's nuts b/c I have been beat several times. So it's not like I think they can't be beat. It's just that I know what that cam can do with or without juice & TOO many people underestimate it just b/c it's not a big donkey dick cam like many others like to run.
06-29-2007, 02:45 PM
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You have to understand that I was making peak power at 5100 RPM's, on the spray, and holding it off till 6300. So it's always making peak power. Thats what makes the difference.
06-29-2007, 03:45 PM
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my math is the ls1 traps high 120's on spray and the cobra traps mid to high 130's on 24 psiwith cams and a solid. I have two friends running that same cam tr224 with stage 3 gtp ported heads. They both dyno 450/460 range and trap 117/118 na. One in a ss and one in a blue ws6. That is why I said 410rwhp is trapping low teens 113/114 and 150 shot 126/127. I am currently putting a 2.2l kb on my cobra. The car it is coming off of was a full bolt-on cobra that wieghted 3850 and on 17psi dynoed 624/598 and ran a 10.8 at 130 on a 28 in tall tire. Now a 2.4 on 24 psi alone would make 660 plus cams would be closer to 690 then drop 150 pounds. DO the math or better yet look at a cobra dyno graph. At 2300 it as almost peak torque alomost to redline.
Originally Posted by Clean94Z
And by your math his car on the juice should trap about the same speed as the cobra. But with the Cobra makin more of its power up top, it's gonna be harder to catch a cammed car leaving you at the line & especially harder with the juice on.
my math is the ls1 traps high 120's on spray and the cobra traps mid to high 130's on 24 psiwith cams and a solid. I have two friends running that same cam tr224 with stage 3 gtp ported heads. They both dyno 450/460 range and trap 117/118 na. One in a ss and one in a blue ws6. That is why I said 410rwhp is trapping low teens 113/114 and 150 shot 126/127. I am currently putting a 2.2l kb on my cobra. The car it is coming off of was a full bolt-on cobra that wieghted 3850 and on 17psi dynoed 624/598 and ran a 10.8 at 130 on a 28 in tall tire. Now a 2.4 on 24 psi alone would make 660 plus cams would be closer to 690 then drop 150 pounds. DO the math or better yet look at a cobra dyno graph. At 2300 it as almost peak torque alomost to redline.
06-29-2007, 07:46 PM
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I see a video, when the two car pass and the Cobra is almost a full car ahead, I looked closely and it appeard to be the same all the way and the 2nd vid the Cobra let off, spun? Now you say AFTER you pass....where we cant see... you pull 2 cars? I have to say bs due to no video. I love LS1's too so dont assume this is a Ford thing. If I were you, I would have made SURE on my BADASS vid, I would have CAUGHT me beating a Cobra, not the other way around and then say you beat him, later out of sight. Couldnt you film 2 good runs, in car ? That Cobra will out trap you and he had you off the line, so what gives?
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06-29-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2
I see a video, when the two car pass and the Cobra is almost a full car ahead, I looked closely and it appeard to be the same all the way and the 2nd vid the Cobra let off, spun? Now you say AFTER you pass....where we cant see... you pull 2 cars? I have to say bs due to no video. I love LS1's too so dont assume this is a Ford thing. If I were you, I would have made SURE on my BADASS vid, I would have CAUGHT me beating a Cobra, not the other way around and then say you beat him, later out of sight. Couldnt you film 2 good runs, in car ? That Cobra will out trap you and he had you off the line, so what gives?
06-29-2007, 10:45 PM
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want to know what happens when guys who can't drive get cobras? made this a while back:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uAP0LdOMVZ0
and for everyone out there who tries to magazine race, I show that video, doesn't matter what Car and Driver or anyone else can do with a car, its all about what YOU can do with YOUR car...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uAP0LdOMVZ0
and for everyone out there who tries to magazine race, I show that video, doesn't matter what Car and Driver or anyone else can do with a car, its all about what YOU can do with YOUR car...
06-29-2007, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ls1sEatRice
want to know what happens when guys who can't drive get cobras? made this a while back:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uAP0LdOMVZ0
and for everyone out there who tries to magazine race, I show that video, doesn't matter what Car and Driver or anyone else can do with a car, its all about what YOU can do with YOUR car...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uAP0LdOMVZ0
and for everyone out there who tries to magazine race, I show that video, doesn't matter what Car and Driver or anyone else can do with a car, its all about what YOU can do with YOUR car...
06-30-2007, 01:59 AM
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From the first vid, I saw the TA at the cobras rear fender as they passed and it *looked* like it evened out and in the 2nd vid the cobra clearly missed a gear
06-30-2007, 12:13 PM
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[QUOTE=Clean94Z]
my math is the ls1 traps high 120's on spray and the cobra traps mid to high 130's on 24 psiwith cams and a solid. I have two friends running that same cam tr224 with stage 3 gtp ported heads. They both dyno 450/460 range and trap 117/118 na. One in a ss and one in a blue ws6. That is why I said 410rwhp is trapping low teens 113/114 and 150 shot 126/127. I am currently putting a 2.2l kb on my cobra. The car it is coming off of was a full bolt-on cobra that wieghted 3850 and on 17psi dynoed 624/598 and ran a 10.8 at 130 on a 28 in tall tire. Now a 2.4 on 24 psi alone would make 660 plus cams would be closer to 690 then drop 150 pounds. DO the math or better yet look at a cobra dyno graph. At 2300 it as almost peak torque alomost to redline.
those cars suck or your at a shitty track!! FULL WEIGHT my car trapped 112.5(355rwhp) with bolt ons. 116(397rwhp) with a cam and burnt up clutch. you live in tx, how far from houston are you? i have a h/c/n20 car, would love to run your cobra
Originally Posted by BIG_MIKE2005
my math is the ls1 traps high 120's on spray and the cobra traps mid to high 130's on 24 psiwith cams and a solid. I have two friends running that same cam tr224 with stage 3 gtp ported heads. They both dyno 450/460 range and trap 117/118 na. One in a ss and one in a blue ws6. That is why I said 410rwhp is trapping low teens 113/114 and 150 shot 126/127. I am currently putting a 2.2l kb on my cobra. The car it is coming off of was a full bolt-on cobra that wieghted 3850 and on 17psi dynoed 624/598 and ran a 10.8 at 130 on a 28 in tall tire. Now a 2.4 on 24 psi alone would make 660 plus cams would be closer to 690 then drop 150 pounds. DO the math or better yet look at a cobra dyno graph. At 2300 it as almost peak torque alomost to redline.
those cars suck or your at a shitty track!! FULL WEIGHT my car trapped 112.5(355rwhp) with bolt ons. 116(397rwhp) with a cam and burnt up clutch. you live in tx, how far from houston are you? i have a h/c/n20 car, would love to run your cobra
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