ZR1 Corvette on road course
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really? more power huh? i wouldnt have thought of that! i see that nothin gets credit on this engine-specific site, except all the cobras and supras the other guys post up. i guess we'll have to wait till the king, i mean GTR hits the US shores and does some real racing, on a roadcourse. last post from me...
Oh Yea, The ZR1 has the official name of "The King of The Hill". Hope that dosen't hurt too much...
http://www.zr1netregistry.com/firstking.htm
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Thats funny since the Foreign motor sport companies seem to dominate the US market when it comes to racing. Th simple fact is the US has been stuck with old technology. Image the efficiency the Foreign cars have put into such a larger displacement. Hell they have 2L 4 cylinders putting out over 200 hp. That 100+ hp Per L. How many NA V8s out there that still are fuel efficient can claim that? Or what about the 3L V6 making 300 hp.... Thats NA also.
Honda's F20C weighs 325lbs! Thats only 65lbs lighter than the LS1, and it only makes 240hp on a good day, pathetic at best.
Fuel efficient? Are you kidding??? The S2000 is a 2800lbs car with 6 gears and 2.2L I4 and can't get better than 25mpg highway, thats a joke at best.
What 3L V6 are you talking about?
I love all the people who post the same comments over and over and think thttps://ls1tech.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=8483615
LS1TECH - Reply to Topichey are making a point. I never said the LS series motors were slow or didnt make power or didnt work at making power. READ THIS Im saying if the US took some of that Jap technology and applied it image the power these motors could make with less.
LS1TECH - Reply to Topichey are making a point. I never said the LS series motors were slow or didnt make power or didnt work at making power. READ THIS Im saying if the US took some of that Jap technology and applied it image the power these motors could make with less.
And you have to be a complete moron to use "hp/l" as an argument, its probably the most irrelevant figure to cars. All the engine's you named with the higher hp/l are friggen HUGE for their displacement, and almost as heavy, or heavier than the LS1.
Also the only reason the LS motors get good gas milage is because of the 6th gear is so damn low. Its not because of the motor technology. The only upgrade thats been done is just going from Carb to Fuel Injected with fuel saving emissions. Whats the city milage on those LSx motors? I know mine wasnt great at all.
LS1 cars are rated at 19mpg city, what other Japanese or European cars can get near that and still make 350hp? None? What about even 300hp? None again? ****...
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Originally Posted by LS240sx
That 100+ hp Per L. How many NA V8s out there that still are fuel efficient can claim that? Or what about the 3L V6 making 300 hp.... Thats NA also.
Maybe you just don't care.
Japan uber alles, right??
: REALLY?!?! Which racing, exactly is this we are speaking of? Dyno queen racing maybe? (You're Nippon tuners are GREAT at this for peak numbers.) Drifting?? (SORRY, but as much as you import fanboyzz want to believe it, it IS NOT racing! )
Haven't you been on here long enough to realize the absolute **** you are going to get with the ricetard hp per liter arguements??
Maybe you just don't care.
Japan uber alles, right??:
)Haven't you been on here long enough to realize the absolute **** you are going to get with the ricetard hp per liter arguements??
Maybe you just don't care.
Japan uber alles, right??
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We are not the only ones comparing a 70k vs 100k. Maybe you need to write motor trend or car and driver and get them to quit comparing cars that are in different price ranges. If nissan is going to talk the talk they better walk the walk. The same as the ZR1 developers calling out the big boys, that are making cars worth more than most houses. Only time will tell what really happens with these two cars, but right now 60 year old technology looks like its going to be king of the hill.
Im a ricer all right and Id prolly roll most of your cars up so if you think i dont know what Im talking about Ill be happy to show ya.
Yet again everyone in this thread is putting words in my mouth. Never said drifting was racing. The racing I speek of is what the world recognizes as racing, such as F1, Le Mans, Road course racing. Not Circle Track or straight line.
Also the person that says advertises 19 city. Who here gets 19 city really... I got maybe 12-15 if I stayed out of it. And my car weights less than the Vette, Camaro or Trans Am so it takes less to move it around and I couldnt achieve that.
Also my 2L Turbo Charged motor made 300 whp and got 18/30 gas milage... Not to bad for a motor I ran everyday over 100K and still was mechanically sound.
Lastly Fan boy I am not. If I was why in the hell would I have a chevy motor. I just think a lot of people on here are just to close minded to the idea of foreign technology and its pretty obvious. Also chevy is slowly turning towards those "ricer" cars for inspiration. Anything below the High dollar sports car now has Jap technology all over it.
Yet again everyone in this thread is putting words in my mouth. Never said drifting was racing. The racing I speek of is what the world recognizes as racing, such as F1, Le Mans, Road course racing. Not Circle Track or straight line.
Also the person that says advertises 19 city. Who here gets 19 city really... I got maybe 12-15 if I stayed out of it. And my car weights less than the Vette, Camaro or Trans Am so it takes less to move it around and I couldnt achieve that.
Also my 2L Turbo Charged motor made 300 whp and got 18/30 gas milage... Not to bad for a motor I ran everyday over 100K and still was mechanically sound.
Lastly Fan boy I am not. If I was why in the hell would I have a chevy motor. I just think a lot of people on here are just to close minded to the idea of foreign technology and its pretty obvious. Also chevy is slowly turning towards those "ricer" cars for inspiration. Anything below the High dollar sports car now has Jap technology all over it.
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I am a big fan of technology but not a fan of what people perceive to be high tech or low tech. I don't consider OHC by itself to be high tech because its quite a bit older than OHV for one.
I have always owned DOHC cars and now realize they have a much worse powerband than my first OHV car in many years.
I have always owned DOHC cars and now realize they have a much worse powerband than my first OHV car in many years.
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I like to have my cake and eat it too, I want a hard torque hit off the line progressing to a crazy mid range and a cammy high rev top end. And it seems GM has figured out a way to make OHV engines do this. Something to be said for big cube DOHC.
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From: St.Charles MO
Im a ricer all right and Id prolly roll most of your cars up so if you think i dont know what Im talking about Ill be happy to show ya.
Yet again everyone in this thread is putting words in my mouth. Never said drifting was racing. The racing I speek of is what the world recognizes as racing, such as F1, Le Mans, Road course racing. Not Circle Track or straight line.
Yet again everyone in this thread is putting words in my mouth. Never said drifting was racing. The racing I speek of is what the world recognizes as racing, such as F1, Le Mans, Road course racing. Not Circle Track or straight line.
Also the person that says advertises 19 city. Who here gets 19 city really... I got maybe 12-15 if I stayed out of it. And my car weights less than the Vette, Camaro or Trans Am so it takes less to move it around and I couldnt achieve that.
19mpg can be achieved, you just have to baby it.
Also my 2L Turbo Charged motor made 300 whp and got 18/30 gas milage... Not to bad for a motor I ran everyday over 100K and still was mechanically sound.
Lastly Fan boy I am not. If I was why in the hell would I have a chevy motor. I just think a lot of people on here are just to close minded to the idea of foreign technology and its pretty obvious. Also chevy is slowly turning towards those "ricer" cars for inspiration. Anything below the High dollar sports car now has Jap technology all over it.
While some people are close minded here, there are FAR FAR more people around the world who are close minded toward larger displacement OHV engines. But ignorance is bliss...
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You're right, 240. GM/domestics are light years behind your Nippons and the Euros in tech. HP PER LITER RULES!!
And oh yeah, the 'low tech'<--
C5/6Rs just cannot get out of their own way in YOUR international (or domestic for that matter) road racing. 
And oh yeah, the 'low tech'<--
C5/6Rs just cannot get out of their own way in YOUR international (or domestic for that matter) road racing. Now if only those had something to do with production cars...
Did you have a stock LS1 with stock gearing?
19mpg can be achieved, you just have to baby it.
Thats cute, but then why did you go with a low tech LS1?
Please tell us what "Jap technology" is? I hope you are not referring to VVT or turbochargers, because that certainly isn't "Jap technology."
While some people are close minded here, there are FAR FAR more people around the world who are close minded toward larger displacement OHV engines. But ignorance is bliss...
Did you have a stock LS1 with stock gearing?
19mpg can be achieved, you just have to baby it.
Thats cute, but then why did you go with a low tech LS1?
Please tell us what "Jap technology" is? I hope you are not referring to VVT or turbochargers, because that certainly isn't "Jap technology."
While some people are close minded here, there are FAR FAR more people around the world who are close minded toward larger displacement OHV engines. But ignorance is bliss...
Cute ha my little 4 cylinder was a bolt on motor with nothing done internally. It beat many cars for some little ricer burner and would roll your car also so I wouldnt make fun of it. Just cause Imports dont make as much power doesnt mean they arnt fast. 300 whp and 2700 lb car go much faster than 300 whp in a 3600 lb car.
The reason i went to the LS1 was because I didnt care about gas milage anymore just wanted something different. I thought about stick with jap motors but figured the LS1 would be a cool motor to do. I did it blew it up now Im going bigger. I may eventually even try a Turbo Diesel motor. 1000 Ft Lb of torque could be interesting.
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What were you shifting at? Like 3000RPMS???
Was it a KA? Arnt those iron blocks with forged internals? Also heavier then LS1s....
Yes your modded car could probably beat my stock car...
Im not "hating" at all, and certainly not because its Japanese. The 240SX is actually one of my favorite cars.
Kinda funny that you are going with more displacement after trying to argue hp/l 
Cute ha my little 4 cylinder was a bolt on motor with nothing done internally.
It beat many cars for some little ricer burner and would roll your car also so I wouldnt make fun of it. Just cause Imports dont make as much power doesnt mean they arnt fast. 300 whp and 2700 lb car go much faster than 300 whp in a 3600 lb car.
Im not "hating" at all, and certainly not because its Japanese. The 240SX is actually one of my favorite cars.
The reason i went to the LS1 was because I didnt care about gas milage anymore just wanted something different. I thought about stick with jap motors but figured the LS1 would be a cool motor to do. I did it blew it up now Im going bigger. I may eventually even try a Turbo Diesel motor. 1000 Ft Lb of torque could be interesting.
What were you shifting at? Like 3000RPMS???
Was it a KA? Arnt those iron blocks with forged internals? Also heavier then LS1s....
Yes your modded car could probably beat my stock car...
Im not "hating" at all, and certainly not because its Japanese. The 240SX is actually one of my favorite cars.
Kinda funny that you are going with more displacement after trying to argue hp/l
Was it a KA? Arnt those iron blocks with forged internals? Also heavier then LS1s....
Yes your modded car could probably beat my stock car...
Im not "hating" at all, and certainly not because its Japanese. The 240SX is actually one of my favorite cars.
Kinda funny that you are going with more displacement after trying to argue hp/l
Also it does matter what motor I have I will argue L/Power any day about Import motor because they are pretty Crazy. Ive got almost a 7L motor and will not put down anything close to the SR in Power to Liter. 150 HP/L vrs the new setup which will make 450-500 whp so less than 100 hp/Liter displacement. I think the motor would make more with better heads but still wouldn't reach 700 or better.
I mean there are a few 1000 hp cars out there with 3L of displacement. Not that its a commonality just very impressive to me vrs a much larger motor doing the same. Although i will say a bigger displacement motor will do it easier and more reliably if you can count on reliability at those numbers.
Also I drove my car around at 1500 or so. It got kinda choppy because of the cam below that.
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Also it does matter what motor I have I will argue L/Power any day about Import motor because they are pretty Crazy. Ive got almost a 7L motor and will not put down anything close to the SR in Power to Liter.
I mean there are a few 1000 hp cars out there with 3L of displacement. Not that its a commonality just very impressive to me vrs a much larger motor doing the same. Although i will say a bigger displacement motor will do it easier and more reliably if you can count on reliability at those numbers.
What would you be more impressed by, a tank that makes 600hp, or a car that makes 600hp? < Example of power to WEIGHT. Peak power v.s. how much the pistons travel is IRRELEVANT in the real world, it shows nothing. If it actually mattered then all our cars would be powered by RC car engines.
Also I drove my car around at 1500 or so. It got kinda choppy because of the cam below that.
Even less impressive then, its an engine built for FI from the factory... Again Im not knocking the SR20, or the 240SX, but those numbers are not anything to be bragging about.
Why does that matter? Will hp/l make your car faster, or hp/weight?
Not really impressive once you see the dyno graph. Its going to be like mt.everest and only make usable torque for a few hundred RPMS.
What would you be more impressed by, a tank that makes 600hp, or a car that makes 600hp? < Example of power to WEIGHT. Peak power v.s. how much the pistons travel is IRRELEVANT in the real world, it shows nothing. If it actually mattered then all our cars would be powered by RC car engines.
I thought you said it was stock?
Why does that matter? Will hp/l make your car faster, or hp/weight?
Not really impressive once you see the dyno graph. Its going to be like mt.everest and only make usable torque for a few hundred RPMS.
What would you be more impressed by, a tank that makes 600hp, or a car that makes 600hp? < Example of power to WEIGHT. Peak power v.s. how much the pistons travel is IRRELEVANT in the real world, it shows nothing. If it actually mattered then all our cars would be powered by RC car engines.
I thought you said it was stock?
Also how is it less impressive a 2L making 300 whp and a 2.4 more impressive doing the same? There are stock bottom end KAs now making 500 whp.
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I asked if your engine was stock, you said "nothing was changed".
So in other words, you shouldn't expect the same city mileage with a modded LS1 compared to a stock one, this isnt rocket science
One was built for FI, the other wasn't.
So in other words, you shouldn't expect the same city mileage with a modded LS1 compared to a stock one, this isnt rocket science
Also how is it less impressive a 2L making 300 whp and a 2.4 more impressive doing the same? There are stock bottom end KAs now making 500 whp.
I dont see the point? Stock KAs with boost can make just as much power so why is it any different? Compression difference is only a half point. The KA internals are known for being strong when it comes to abuse. I know many KAs over or close to 200K running strong. A few are even boosted daily 12 psi with out fault.
Now if it was a weak motor making 300 whp I would agree with you totally but the KA isnt weak.
Now if it was a weak motor making 300 whp I would agree with you totally but the KA isnt weak.
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http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos-08...ng-in-snow.htm
Let's see the new Vette do THAT^^^^
Didn't think so.
Let's see the new Vette do THAT^^^^
Didn't think so.