How is this possible?
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Read up more on DSM's then
And nothing there is plural...no headS, manifoldS....etc. I mean, at least understand what you are yelling about.
I mean really, there's alot of tuning, alot of boost. The hemispherical combustion chambers on a 4cyl ensure a great effective burn, with 4 valves per cylinder.....its boost+tricks+ efficiency and a **** ton of talent. As far as weight, who knows what it actually weighs, or is altered other than what is covered up by 'interior'. As with any 9 sec car, the drivetrain sure isn't stock....it's just how it is.
IT's HP/weight, gearing, hooking it, and getting it down the track. If he can squeeze a # on pump (to which I've personally seen a local DSMs lay down 630 to the wheels on 93), then a little more, some extra tricks and you've got your number.
Remember it's the highest echelon of builders of these cars....it's alot like questioning whoever is king **** with LS1s and what they did on pump. NO, it's not 'normal' but like 95% of the general public aren't even close to that level, or only focus on 1 aspect. The other 5% are looked up to like Gods and that's just how it is.
Hell there's a local one of his BR Evo's in my hometown that's supposed to be like 1000awhp on 110. It gets damn near daily driven.
Before you get pissy and nonbeliverish....freaking read.
Read up more on DSM's then
And nothing there is plural...no headS, manifoldS....etc. I mean, at least understand what you are yelling about.
I mean really, there's alot of tuning, alot of boost. The hemispherical combustion chambers on a 4cyl ensure a great effective burn, with 4 valves per cylinder.....its boost+tricks+ efficiency and a **** ton of talent. As far as weight, who knows what it actually weighs, or is altered other than what is covered up by 'interior'. As with any 9 sec car, the drivetrain sure isn't stock....it's just how it is.
IT's HP/weight, gearing, hooking it, and getting it down the track. If he can squeeze a # on pump (to which I've personally seen a local DSMs lay down 630 to the wheels on 93), then a little more, some extra tricks and you've got your number.
Remember it's the highest echelon of builders of these cars....it's alot like questioning whoever is king **** with LS1s and what they did on pump. NO, it's not 'normal' but like 95% of the general public aren't even close to that level, or only focus on 1 aspect. The other 5% are looked up to like Gods and that's just how it is.
Hell there's a local one of his BR Evo's in my hometown that's supposed to be like 1000awhp on 110. It gets damn near daily driven.
Before you get pissy and nonbeliverish....freaking read.
tuning for WOT takes very little time compared to part throttle tuning.. which is what takes all the time.. which is also completly irelevant to track performance. Like the other guy said.. get off your horse.
I say the heads on that engine are hand ported and have tons of hours in them, the exhaust manifolds are custom, the cams are custom speced.. the turbo is dual ball bearing.. basically a lot of custom work done.. thats the only thing I can think of. That being said I've seen that sort of money be put into a 4 banger several times before only for it to not perform much better.
I say the heads on that engine are hand ported and have tons of hours in them, the exhaust manifolds are custom, the cams are custom speced.. the turbo is dual ball bearing.. basically a lot of custom work done.. thats the only thing I can think of. That being said I've seen that sort of money be put into a 4 banger several times before only for it to not perform much better.
Then you stuck your foot so far down your mouth it started to protrude from your ***, where your head also resides. You say you've seen that kind of money be put into a 4 cylinder only to see it perform the same or worse, wouldn't that be you saying (in a roundabout way) that it's a stout car and you respect it? So I guess I'm not on a high horse, in fact, I'm on the realistic horse and I can see that we have an extremely fast car running on pump gas from one of the best tuners in the country.
Now I hate to come off as an ******* and an import lover, two things which I am NOT, but I will come off as someone who can recognize and respect a truly awesome street car and also someone who will try to correct someone at all costs when they try to put me down or tell me I'm wrong when I know I'm 100% right.
Last edited by KFC_Or_Bust; Sep 17, 2008 at 04:17 PM. Reason: Manfold? lol
I'm not on a high horse bud, you fellas just need to get your heads out of your asses and realize that with enough money and time things like this can be done. You put your foot in your mouth with your very next sentence and said that the head, manifold, cams yada yada are all custom and one off. Well no ****, he didn't go 9s on a stock turbo and tune, obviously the car has all the top of the line goodies to be that quick on strictly pump.
Then you stuck your foot so far down your mouth it started to protrude from your ***, where your head also resides. You say you've seen that kind of money be put into a 4 cylinder only to see it perform the same or worse, wouldn't that be you saying (in a roundabout way) that it's a stout car and you respect it? So I guess I'm not on a high horse, in fact, I'm on the realistic horse and I can see that we have an extremely fast car running on pump gas from one of the best tuners in the country.
Now I hate to come off as an ******* and an import lover, two things which I am NOT, but I will come off as someone who can recognize and respect a truly awesome street car and also someone who will try to correct someone at all costs when they try to put me down or tell me I'm wrong when I know I'm 100% right.
Then you stuck your foot so far down your mouth it started to protrude from your ***, where your head also resides. You say you've seen that kind of money be put into a 4 cylinder only to see it perform the same or worse, wouldn't that be you saying (in a roundabout way) that it's a stout car and you respect it? So I guess I'm not on a high horse, in fact, I'm on the realistic horse and I can see that we have an extremely fast car running on pump gas from one of the best tuners in the country.
Now I hate to come off as an ******* and an import lover, two things which I am NOT, but I will come off as someone who can recognize and respect a truly awesome street car and also someone who will try to correct someone at all costs when they try to put me down or tell me I'm wrong when I know I'm 100% right.
And you're definitely an ******* (what you claim you come off as), at least online... Why insult people? Did someone put you down or call you names because maybe I missed it. You're just being called out for speaking, as we say, "beneath people's dignity," ("TOO-Ning," come on man, cheer up lol) implying that people are just learning two-syllable words or something.
Again... I have read up on DSM's many times pushing slightly over 600 awhp on pump, most on methanol... But they are not in the nines with full trim, accessories and interior, at factory weight either.
Anybody know the hp figure on this car?
Straight of his (Buschur) site " As a reminder this is 813 whp on our dyno"
http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19904
http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19904
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Verdad Gallardo That 813whp is from over a year ago...Any newer updates on his car? If it's an RS I believe it's the lightest weight and least optioned Evo available, kinda like the stipper Camaros.
Actually, a little looking and I found the thread Dave himself posted on his forums, check it out, he goes into detail on each of the runs in the video.
http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21857
Actually, a little looking and I found the thread Dave himself posted on his forums, check it out, he goes into detail on each of the runs in the video.
http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21857
I believe the times were on pump gas because of the reputation of the builder/tuner. I could see how some might think this is impossible also. Im still trying to figure it out myself.
Truth is every once and a while something crazy happens and its unexplainable but true. This isnt going to discourage me at all. Im sure there was alot more put into this car then slapping some parts together and turning low 9s on pump.
Truth is every once and a while something crazy happens and its unexplainable but true. This isnt going to discourage me at all. Im sure there was alot more put into this car then slapping some parts together and turning low 9s on pump.
