Guys , I'm doing something that I should have done back in 2009 , exposing this guy for what he is ! I had pretty well wrote this off as a bought lesson , but in light of him doing the same thing to someone else , I need to do the right thing and come forward . I am beyond this and I am not seeking any reimbursement or satisfaction from this , just felt that Rich Wesson (72Elkytpi ) needed to be exposed after doing what he did to me and has recently done to another member .

https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...tems-more.html

The above is the original thread , or what is left of it , that Rich advertised the QA1 shocks that I purchased from him . You won't find any mention of QA1 shocks on it though , Rich took care of that when I challenged him on his bait and switch game . You will notice that there are edits on several posts , including the first one , on 3-20-2009 . I thought this odd as the last post was made by me on 1-31-2009 !Didn't Gonoma say that Rich did the same thing to him ? Seems to be a pattern here ! Before I go too much further , I need to tell my story , here is my PM to him after receiving the shocks that he sent me .

Rich , today is 2-10-09 and I recieved the QA1 shocks that I purchased from you on 2-3-09 and we have a problem .

In your post that you advertised to sell these shocks , you described them as "QA1 GMP Single adjustable coil over shock , Performance Pro-Coil System - Fits 67-69 Camaro/68-74 Nova" . You also posted a link describing these shocks

http://www.speedtech-performance.com...prod/prd45.htm

Also a lengthy description describing the shocks as " Threaded Aluminum Body " and " 12 way adjustable valving "

Your description and advertisement for sale prompted me to purchase these shocks , and I considered it to be a fair deal . The shocks that you described sell retail for $450-480 , so $350 for a set was a fair deal .

OK , with all that said , what I received was a pair of QA1 Economy Pro Coil Systems shocks , which is a whole different ball game . This setup includes a normal steel bodied , non-adjustable shock, that has an aluminum sleeve that slips over the shock that is threaded for the spanner nut . Now there is nothing wrong with this type setup , It is just not what you described , nor is it what I thought I was buying . This Economy setup can be purchased at any of the mail-order houses for $339 all day . If this is what I was wanting , I would have purchased it from from one of them , instead of buying your setup , which I understood was a single adjustable aliminum shock setup . Here is a link to Jegs showing the Economy model .

http://www.jegs.com/p/QA1/830901/10002/-1

Now , before I do anything , I wanted to make you aware of this and see what you want do about this misunderstanding . Hopefully we can come to an agreement on this without resorting to less desirable means . If you would like to talk to me about this , my cell is 337-274-8577 , or we can handle it through PMs , which ever way you would prefer.

And his response was :

Im sorry you feel this way, there are 2 different sets of coils and shocks.

There were 2 different sets of pictures on my ad, I did not try to deceive you. 2 different sets of shocks and springs.
thanks
Rich


So I responded with :

Can you explain that a little better ? There are pics of the boxes that the shocks are in and a pic of the box that one spring is in , then there is a generic advertisement pic of the adjustable shocks . You were asked about actual pics of the QA1s and if they were single or double adjustable in post # 26 , and again in post #29 , by the same poster , you were asked if they were in fact coilovers and if they were single or double adjustable . You answered in post #30 "They are not a typical coilover , it's a spring over a shock . I think it's single adjustable " and you also attached the two pics , one of the shocks in the boxes and the other of a box with a spring in it , indicating that the shocks in these pics were single adjustable . Never , in any post do you mention that there are two sets of shocks , one adjustable and one not adjustable . How would you know which set of shocks the poster was asking about , he didn't specify adjustable or not . He asked if THE ONE set was single or double adjustable , and you answered THE ONE set was single adjustable (you thought) . Also I see you edited your original post at 6:36pm on Feb 10 2009 , care to say what you changed or added ? I think I know , but I need to do a little detective work on my computer to bring up what the post looked like before . I'll be back in touch .

Terry

And he responded :

Im sorry that your not happy with the deal but I am not ripping you off, you just made a mistake and now your pissed off.

That pretty much tells the story , so I decide that I wasn't going to fool with this guy , just file a dispute with PayPal . That went real well Learned something there too ! Paypal didn't "rule against me" , they didn't rule at all . Here was their response (This may open some people's eyes as far as the "protection" we have with Paypal ) We're unable to decide this claim in your favor at this time. PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy applies to the shipment of goods but not to disputes about merchandise quality.

Ok SOL there , but Rich also leaves me negative itrader feedback ( my feedback is 0% because you can't have less the that ! )

sent parts and he filed a paypal claim and lost & In a bad economy some people want something for nothing and then when paypal rules in my favor that says something.

So.....................I just licked my wounds and wrote this off as a bought lesson ..................until now

 

Cheby2,
There was no bait and switch, but feel free to degrade my reputation even further with your zero feedback on any activity on this site. 33 other positive feedbacks means something and that is just the one who bothered to leave feedback. Not all transactions go smoothly and paypal make decision like this every day, I have lost money as well just read some of my feedbacks where another member kept my money and didnt send anything.

So after 1.5 years of this being over, what are you looking to gain here. A refund or just harrassment and jumping on another persons bandwagon.

 

Terry isn't jumping on the bad wagon I encouraged him to leave a thread here when i found out you did the same thing to him. He may not have any positive feed back but then again some of us don't spend all day trying to sell stuff on the forum either. I know that I haven't been very active in other parts of the forum since you screwed me over. Mainly because I keep having to set you BS stories straight that you keep adding little by little with wrong information.

I do know that I would take terry's word over yours any day because I've seen how you operate

 

Rich , that reply was EXACTLY what I expected from you ! No bait and switch huh , did you ever sell the OTHER set of QA1s ? I don't need to degrade your reputation , you're doing a fine job yourself . The reason that I have a 0% itrader feedback is that after getting screwed by you I left this site and haven't visited but a few times since . And just because you have 33 positive doesn't mean JACK when you have 2 negative for basically the same thing and have been exposed for your BAIT and SWITCH dealings with 2 entirely different people !

I have no beef with PayPal they did exactly what their rules said that they would or would not do , I was simply ignorant of their protection outside of Ebay , I.E."PayPal's Buyer Complaint Policy applies to the shipment of goods but not to disputes about merchandise quality."
Our transaction went very smoothly , I sent money , you sent shocks . The problem lies in what shocks you sent ! You state that you have lost money and "just read some of my feedbacks where another member kept my money and didnt send anything. " You have some recourse with PayPal because they didn't send anything .

You also ask what am I looking to gain here , did you read the first paragraph of my #1 post ? Let me make this crystal clear , I WANT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM YOU ! I am NOT seeking nor will I accept a refund from you ! I am not harrassing you or "jumping on someone else"s bandwagon" , you think I need this ? Dude , there are to many stresses in these times to worry about than to stress about some yahoo screwing me out of a few hundred bucks a year and a half ago ! Dan contacted me about what you did to me , before I knew his story , I came back here and saw what you were doing to him and it was "Deja Vu " Seems like a pattern here! I did post in his thread , but I started my on to expose you for what you are , and to warn others to be REALLY careful when dealing with you , ask pointed questions and document it before buying from you . Oh and also CHECK TO MAKE SURE WHAT YOU SENT IS WHAT YOU DESCRIBED !

It's too late for my deal , but you should really man-up and make your deal with Dan (Gonoma) right !

 

72Elkytpi--in the future when you do decide to sell products maybe you could provide an actual part number to the item you are selling so that it wouldn't be a simple visual description.

 

Very good suggestion joelster , that would have totally eliminated my problem if he had done that . But the problem in both situations is the pic that Rich included in his advertisements WAS NOT the product that he shipped , I can't see how either occurance could be a "mistake".

 

Paypal sucks

 

this guy pulled some bullshit on me over a water pump a couple years ago and tried to get me banned off the site. hes an *******.

 

wow what a POS. i cant say that you're a thief cuz you send an item for the payment sent to you but you are a LIAR for sending an item that isnt what you described. dueche bags like you should be banned from the parts classifieds.

 

what a dbag. go find him

 

still makes my blood boil

 

Ordered a item from the in question seller, got exactly what i ordered. Cant complain at all, seems to be a good seller.

 

that wasn't the case with me. He admitted to sending the wrong lifters after he stated several times that he sent what was advertised when i posted pictures of both what he advertised and what he actually sent. I KNOW HE LIED TO ME so you can buy from him if you want. I'm just here to try and help warn other people that he has a history of not sending what he advertised and then trying to cover it up. Plain and simple