WS6 or 03 Cobra
03-12-2004, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan98T/A
Vortech has a kit, that although expensive covers pretty much everything you need for 470HP.
And even with heads and cam, you need the $2500 12 bolt as well as edit tuning and dyno time. What is your point?
As for the CR, get some Stage 2 Patriot "LS6 Style" Heads(with 72cc chamber) and pump that HP# well into the 500 range!!!
And even with heads and cam, you need the $2500 12 bolt as well as edit tuning and dyno time. What is your point?
As for the CR, get some Stage 2 Patriot "LS6 Style" Heads(with 72cc chamber) and pump that HP# well into the 500 range!!!
my point is that an '02 WS6 convertible with H/C, all boltons, 12-bolt, tuning...will cost $10k on top of a $20-23k car for 400-440 rwhp and the gas mileage will drop to 12-16 mpg.
going the S/C route, that Vortec kit with aftercooler is $6100 + 12-bolt + install + tuning will also be around $10k while stressing the stock bottom end that was not meant for FI. if you add LTs and other boltons, you'll definitely go above $10k.
$29k for an '03 Convert (w/under 5k miles) + $1500 in mods is just a better and safer deal for 450-500 rwhp. and that WS6 with the Vortech kit is going to weigh the same as the Cobra.
03-12-2004, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
3500 stall for sure, nothing less.
03-12-2004, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by skunk50
my point is that an '02 WS6 convertible with H/C, all boltons, 12-bolt, tuning...will cost $10k on top of a $20-23k car for 400-440 rwhp and the gas mileage will drop to 12-16 mpg.
going the S/C route, that Vortec kit with aftercooler is $6100 + 12-bolt + install + tuning will also be around $10k while stressing the stock bottom end that was not meant for FI. if you add LTs and other boltons, you'll definitely go above $10k.
$29k for an '03 Convert (w/under 5k miles) + $1500 in mods is just a better and safer deal for 450-500 rwhp. and that WS6 with the Vortech kit is going to weigh the same as the Cobra.
going the S/C route, that Vortec kit with aftercooler is $6100 + 12-bolt + install + tuning will also be around $10k while stressing the stock bottom end that was not meant for FI. if you add LTs and other boltons, you'll definitely go above $10k.
$29k for an '03 Convert (w/under 5k miles) + $1500 in mods is just a better and safer deal for 450-500 rwhp. and that WS6 with the Vortech kit is going to weigh the same as the Cobra.
03-12-2004, 04:11 PM
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here's my opinion i got a 2000 firehawk...i've beaten 3, 03 cobras with it...all i have is intake exhaust and free mods...firehawk isn't that much differ then a ws6...but would you rather spend 10k more for a car that only has 385hp already supercharged...or get the ws6 and with that 10k extra super charge the ws6 and a few bolt ons and tune it...omg that cobra will be crying for mercy...the 03 cobra's are over rated i think...yes you could put more money into it...but you already spent 10k more then u would on a ws6...i have a few friends that bought the 03 CBR...they all say it isn't worth the money...its your decision..i think the ws6 is the way to go...also come on a ford..u better get extended warrenty and a shoulder to cry on cuz u jus lost a race againts a N/A F-Body vs a SC cobra and spent 10k more for nothing.but hey thats jus my opinion and expierence i had
03-12-2004, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jhelms
I agree with all of this except the mpg part on the h/c LS1. My h/c LS1 M6 turned 19.9999mpg on the highway with 4.30 gears through the 9 inch. The numbers you quoted are spot on for city mpg though.
i've got an A4 with stock gears (3.43?) and i drive 14 city + 36 highway everyday....pretty much smooth sailing since i leave at 11-11:30 am for work and leave work at around 12 midnight (sometimes 1am).
i fill up tank....reset trip odometer...drive until near E......fill up again...calculate miles based on 2nd time filling up .....i was getting 16-18 mpg....so i had the plugs and wires changed (w/60k miles), new fuel filter and i'm back to 18-20 mpg. this is with very little sprints from 0-60 at lights. maybe i'll do the O2 sensors next.
heads/cam will probably put me in the 12-14 mpg. i drive around 1555 miles per month = $199 - $233 in 93 octane gas....ouch.
03-12-2004, 04:24 PM
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I'm not big on verts because they weigh more. If you go coupe vs coupe..get the cobra. Lots of power made easy and you won't see 30 of them on a 5 mile run down the road. It is all about what lights your fire. Not to mention the cobra will without a doubt hold a better resale value. I'd find one with less than 10K on it and let someone else take the new car depreciation hit. They are not a joke. Anyone who says they are is either in denile, or just plain retarded.
03-12-2004, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by badazzhawk
i got a 2000 firehawk...i've beaten 3, 03 cobras with it...all i have is intake exhaust and free mods...firehawk isn't that much differ then a ws6...but would you rather spend 10k more for a car that only has 385hp already supercharged...or get the ws6 and with that 10k extra super charge the ws6 and a few bolt ons and tune it...omg that cobra will be crying for mercy...the 03 cobra's are over rated i think...yes you could put more money into it...but you already spent 10k more then u would on a ws6...i have a few friends that bought the 03 CBR...they all say it isn't worth the money...its your decision..i think the ws6 is the way to go...also come on a ford..u better get extended warrenty and a shoulder to cry on cuz u jus lost a race againts a N/A F-Body vs a SC cobra and spent 10k more for nothing.but hey thats jus my opinion and expierence i had
03-12-2004, 04:58 PM
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.......and here it is all safe at home. I am going to clean her up tomorrow!!!
I drove it for a while this evening. The powere is great and it shifts great (this from a ZR-1 owner with a ZF 6 speed) I am very impressed so far. In the curves, you have to push it a bit more than the vette. I am going to have to pay a bit more attention. The stock exhaust sounds great, but the pipes look lonly in those holes. Gonna have to call SLP on that. I appreciate everyone's help and look forward to talking with many of you on this board!!!!
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03-12-2004, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
Great looking car! Congrats! 
P.S. first mod is to lower that 4x4
P.S. first mod is to lower that 4x4
Fbod. Maybe pick up bigger wheels as an alternative.
Those are 16's right.
03-12-2004, 08:01 PM
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"C'mon ....a WS6 lightly modded keeping up with a 03 Cobra? Ummm No....I've watched too many STOCK Cobras on nittos go 12.60's @ 110 plus mph to believe it would even be close, "
i ran consistant 12.60 @113 with my boltons and nittos (stock suspension) ive beeten 2 o3 cobras... my answer says you really gotta think what your gonna do with it .... stock 2 stock 03 will win light boltons on the ls1 and it should do fine BUT light boltons on an cobra and ya got some big power to deal with... at the same time a cobra costs alot more than a t\a so if ya tink of is as bang for buck the money you save you can easily make a very mean f-body out of the savings..... but to that if ya bought a 98 and just restored it and gave it a 382 and bulit 4l60e ya could do real well too for the same money you would spend on either if ya are draggin serious id bulid a 98 up for the light bolton guy a cobra is the best fastest option but best bandg for buck... for a street \strip car id do a ls1with full boltons and a h\c package and look at a blower down the road (thats where im goin) see the cobra gets pritty fast for cheep but after that to go further gets even more expensive than a ls1 so its really a tradeoff that only you could decide beacouse the best is gonna have to be for what you p[lan on doing with it .... 900 posts!!!
i ran consistant 12.60 @113 with my boltons and nittos (stock suspension) ive beeten 2 o3 cobras... my answer says you really gotta think what your gonna do with it .... stock 2 stock 03 will win light boltons on the ls1 and it should do fine BUT light boltons on an cobra and ya got some big power to deal with... at the same time a cobra costs alot more than a t\a so if ya tink of is as bang for buck the money you save you can easily make a very mean f-body out of the savings..... but to that if ya bought a 98 and just restored it and gave it a 382 and bulit 4l60e ya could do real well too for the same money you would spend on either if ya are draggin serious id bulid a 98 up for the light bolton guy a cobra is the best fastest option but best bandg for buck... for a street \strip car id do a ls1with full boltons and a h\c package and look at a blower down the road (thats where im goin) see the cobra gets pritty fast for cheep but after that to go further gets even more expensive than a ls1 so its really a tradeoff that only you could decide beacouse the best is gonna have to be for what you p[lan on doing with it .... 900 posts!!!
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Nice WS6,Beautiful Car....the 03 cobras fascinate the hell out of me. Strong bottom end, and so cheap to get big power. I know some one putting 515 on the dyno with the kenne bell