A little advise please.
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A little advise please.
I recently bought a 2000 WS6 Trans Am M6. It has 58,000 miles and has the following mods.
CNC ported LS6 heads.
PRC double springs
Chromoly push rods
LS7 lifters
MS4 cam 239/242 .649/ .609
Kooks LT
HVM collectors
Magnaflow hi flow cats
GMMG cat back
FAST 90 manifold/ throttle body
25% under drive pulley
LS7 clutch
LS2 flywheel
FAST 36# injectors
airlid
SLP subframe connectors
UMI torque arm
UMI LCA's double adjustable pan hard
Hotchkis sway 1" drop
bilsteins
Moser 12 bolt with 4.10's
drilled and slotted rotors hawks pads
After the initial build the car dynoed 431 whp and 380 tq. This last Saturday the car did 419 whp and 369 tq on the same dyno. It is in need of a new tune. Before I do that though I think I would like to make more power.
My question is, as the car sits, what is the best/ most economical way to boost the car? Turbo vs supercharging. Is one going to be easier based on how the car is set up now? Is one more reliable than the other? I daily this car and would love to still drive it and keep it mostly reliable. My goal is 500-550 whp.
Thanks for any thoughts or advice!
Jeremy
CNC ported LS6 heads.
PRC double springs
Chromoly push rods
LS7 lifters
MS4 cam 239/242 .649/ .609
Kooks LT
HVM collectors
Magnaflow hi flow cats
GMMG cat back
FAST 90 manifold/ throttle body
25% under drive pulley
LS7 clutch
LS2 flywheel
FAST 36# injectors
airlid
SLP subframe connectors
UMI torque arm
UMI LCA's double adjustable pan hard
Hotchkis sway 1" drop
bilsteins
Moser 12 bolt with 4.10's
drilled and slotted rotors hawks pads
After the initial build the car dynoed 431 whp and 380 tq. This last Saturday the car did 419 whp and 369 tq on the same dyno. It is in need of a new tune. Before I do that though I think I would like to make more power.
My question is, as the car sits, what is the best/ most economical way to boost the car? Turbo vs supercharging. Is one going to be easier based on how the car is set up now? Is one more reliable than the other? I daily this car and would love to still drive it and keep it mostly reliable. My goal is 500-550 whp.
Thanks for any thoughts or advice!
Jeremy
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Economical will depend on whether or not you are doing the work.
Supercharger has more startup cost but is easier to install.
Turbo kit will be cheaper but harder to install.
If you can weld, turbo setup will be FAR cheaper, but not everyone has that option.
Supercharger has more startup cost but is easier to install.
Turbo kit will be cheaper but harder to install.
If you can weld, turbo setup will be FAR cheaper, but not everyone has that option.
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Nitrous definitely the most economical, but maybe in the future check out Huron Speeds turbo kits, not bad pricing, and add some Meth and your 419hp will be easily touching 700hp good luck be safe!
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Yep exactly. There's no way I'd run boost on mine unless it was like 6-7 psi max, and what would even be the point of doing that when I can make more power from a 150 shot, and have spent a fraction of the price on top of it lol.
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Nitrous is economical for sure but it is not a lite it up whenever kind of power unless you decide to use your heater at key on. Even then you are waiting for pressure to build to 900# minimally. There is also the over pressure situation in summertime heat to deal with, you can easily see 1200# and that is not a great situation as your tune goes leaner
Also, the number of hits in a 10# bottle is like 60 seconds for a 150 shot, keep in mind 10# is usually just 8# since pressure becomes an issue at low bottle volume.
Then there is cost, I fill my own bottles so I get it at like 4.50 a pound, but getting a mother bottle can be a bitch for some. Retail pricing in my area is $7 so you should factor that in.
Timing... need to pull a few degrees on the hit. Not sure how you toggle that on/off on this platform, didn't read you parts list. Maybe it's like my drag Car and you have a WOT trigger when armed that pulls it.
I'm a Nitrous guy so not bashing it at all, just thought I'd give you some other things to think about. If this is for track use then nitrous makes a lot of sense, if your fing around on the street the prep work and cost makes it kind of a bitch.
Also, the number of hits in a 10# bottle is like 60 seconds for a 150 shot, keep in mind 10# is usually just 8# since pressure becomes an issue at low bottle volume.
Then there is cost, I fill my own bottles so I get it at like 4.50 a pound, but getting a mother bottle can be a bitch for some. Retail pricing in my area is $7 so you should factor that in.
Timing... need to pull a few degrees on the hit. Not sure how you toggle that on/off on this platform, didn't read you parts list. Maybe it's like my drag Car and you have a WOT trigger when armed that pulls it.
I'm a Nitrous guy so not bashing it at all, just thought I'd give you some other things to think about. If this is for track use then nitrous makes a lot of sense, if your fing around on the street the prep work and cost makes it kind of a bitch.
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For me nitrous is still extremely cheap for me to run even on the street. Considering my car is pretty fast without nitrous I rarely use it. Only when I think I'm out of my league. Since most races rarely go a full quarter mile on the street, the nitrous actually lasts longer than you might think combined with just the occasional use. Also here in MI I pay $4.50 per lb at the local speed shop. To be honest I only use maybe 2-3 bottles a season, so it would take me like 40 years to equal the price of a good blower or turbo lol. So if I'm going to a car meet or whatnot, I just crack open the bottle (so I'm ready just in case) then simply turn the bottle off when I get home. Simple as that. Been doing it like that for years with no problems whatsoever. As long as you don't spray often I still think nitrous is extremely great and cheap even on the street. Just my personal experiences and thoughts
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I guess I should mention I am building a JY turbo build for a street toy. If it goes well my next bullet for the drag car will be a LSx with hair dryer and I'd lose the nitrous but I still think Nitrous has a place.